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Anti-depressants increase risk of suicide
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I've read quite a few studies which show an increased risk of suicidality for patients (particularly adolescents) who take anti-depressants - I think all were exclusively based on SSRIs.

Depression is the most common diagnosis made by doctors in Britain, and while I'm sure doctors are made well aware of these risks (and to not prescribe it needlessly) this risk seems quite serious, especially since it's much larger in teenagers.

Do you think this has had any significant real world impacts? Or possibly in the future?

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none what so ever.

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Whatever contributes so the declination of the rising population.

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Drugs react differently on different people. It depends.

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I'd be pretty sad if I found out that I'm so depressed the only way to help is to alter my mind with chemicals.

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I'm on anti-depressants and I have thought about suicide

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I think that we have already seen the backlash of the few years ago that doctors seemed to go on a drug-pushing binge with depression patients. They made it seem (to the 'outside world') like depression is something that you can just snap out of, that it's a rite of passage...

Also, the fact that they were so easy to get one's hands on, it lead to a rise in people taking them to get high.

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i know i'm on anti-depressants been on them 4 bout 3 yrs first month of them i wanted to kill myself more the befor but now i'm better!

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From what I've read - probably less than you have - there is a small subset of people, almost all teens, who react horribly to the common SSRI anti-depressants. So it's so important that the person tell the doctor if the antidepressants are not making things better. Usually a two week or less window of time should be enough to tell if meds are helping depression or not. Unfortunately not everyone will be able to do that, talk to their doctor, or even judge if the meds are making them worse, due to the depression itself.

I hope all patients and their families are given instructions as to what to expect . It's a new year- I've got hope!

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No, I think this has had very little real world impact, because due to the amount of pharmaceutical control of psychiatric literature, it's not really likely that alternate perspectives get much mention. I mean, it's not done so blatantly, but it's still ignored.

Many times, the companies' biased studies themselves didn't even show much benefit, but they just twist it to sound like it.

Until the public questions these nonsense 'doctors' and makes this an issue, it won't be an issue. The problem is that 'mental illness' is taboo because its 'genetic' or whatever, and until it's not taboo, it won't happen. Kind of a vicious cycle.

But it's not just this, it's questioning everything about it in general (for example, they claim 'improvement', but never define 'improvement').

Post edited at 3:53 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 by iconoclast

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My particular understanding on this is that teens arent chemically stable, so sometimes the addition of antidepressants can increase the balance improperly, which would lead to more manic behavior, creating extreme high periods, followed by extreme lows.

In adults, I read a study where adults who committed suicide while on antidepressants where extremely depressed and where not prescribed a large enough dose. The little bit they were given seemed to make them apathetic, but allowed them to think more. Those thoughts then led to the ability to act on their depression, resulting in suicide.

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I'd imagine that it's hardly about the chemicals themselves directly, but more about overall effects on personality.

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I believe that they've discovered that the main reason for this is that the SSRI first alleviates the loss of energy and mental lethargy associated with depression.  It takes about two weeks for the actual emotions associated with depression to be affected by the SSRI.  As a result of that, it seems that people who were previously experiencing suicidal thoughts suddenly have the energy and drive to go through with it.

I think that knowledge is important to understand, as it's critical to realize that the drug itself does not MAKE someone suicidal who previously was not.  Rather, it puts those who were already suicidal at a greater risk for going through with it.

In terms of real world implications, I think it's fairly obvious that it has has some effect.  In order for teenage patients to be prescribed an SSRI, they have to agree to go through about 3 (?) months of medication follow-ups to insure that they aren't feeling more suicidal (at least in the US).  

I would imagine that in the future, we would be working towards developing new treatments that affect emotional temperament and energy equally, which would hopefully compensate for that volatile period.

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Quote: from dramaqueenxoxo at 11:49 pm on Jan. 1, 2009

I think that we have already seen the backlash of the few years ago that doctors seemed to go on a drug-pushing binge with depression patients. They made it seem (to the 'outside world') like depression is something that you can just snap out of, that it's a rite of passage...  

Also, the fact that they were so easy to get one's hands on, it lead to a rise in people taking them to get high.


Yeah, that's definitely a concern, probably moreso back then than it is today, but the latter point - teenagers getting high - is probably a larger worry. Teens today are always finding new ways to get high, and probably don't even care to read the information on the packet, so their abuse can end up being potentially fatal.

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