Post edited at 4:31 am on Jan. 11, 2009 by NikkiG

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Um as long as fucked up unexplainable shit keeps happening, I will continue to be superstious. I'm not religious, but I still believe that there's a personal force that moves things because I have experienced far too many coincidences in my life for it to be just science. I also believe in ghosts because I have personally seen them. I will believe this stuff until it is explained by science.

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I hear you..and that is a candid response.  Science, God, or acid trips may never explain everything to us; but how mundane if life possessed no mystery.  I posit both God and science are linguistic synonyms...just different denominations of varied 'faith.'  I choose science because it constantly allows for corrective dogma.

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In other words, it's part of what makes us human and unless we change our very base instincts, we'll always have religion.

I'm a future sociology major, just go with it, okay?

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Never hurts to hope though.

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Um as long as fucked up unexplainable shit keeps happening, I will continue to be superstious. I'm not religious, but I still believe that there's a personal force that moves things because I have experienced far too many coincidences in my life for it to be just science. I also believe in ghosts because I have personally seen them. I will believe this stuff until it is explained by science.

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That's stupid. Have fun believing in the flying spaghetti monster.

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Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man
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I'm a future sociology major, just go with it, okay?

Because someone who doesn't even have their sociology major said so? Sorry, I look for more prudent sources than you.

The need to explain natural happenings (most often through spiritual means) is a cultural human universal, much like the tendency to wear clothes and follow fashions, have marriage and coming of age rituals, and appreciate music and the arts.  

And conduct slavery. Wait: civilizations evolve. There's already motion in effect to have non-religion dominate the world, as it should (if we want a world based in scientific discoveries and calm, rational discussions instead of religious nonsense). In every developed world atheism and agnosticism are set to become pluralities and majorities.  

Post edited at 6:21 am on Jan. 12, 2009 by GeneCosta

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Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man
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Isn't science just another form of superstition, which is easier to convince the modern mindset of?

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Jump off a cliff and tell me gravity is superstition.

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Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man
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Quote: from Shogun villimax at 4:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

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Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope.

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 Here here!  
 Insted of beleving that everything had to come from something,lets ignore scientific fact!  
 Anything as long as there isint a god that can say what we're doing is wrong!

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Yours created god to judge our actions as wrong. Prohibitions and privations in society were created in order for us to coexist, not propitiate delusional myths.

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Why do theist hate science so?

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

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Why do theist hate science so?

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Where did you get that idea?

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As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.

Post edited at 3:11 am on Jan. 14, 2009 by LogicandReason

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Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

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Why do theist hate science so?

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Where did you get that idea?

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As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But there most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

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Why do theist hate science so?

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Where did you get that idea?

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As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.

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Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason???

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Those are but a few examples. From the time of early atomic theory (Democritus/5th century BCE) theist have been trying to thwart science because it exposes supernatural metaphysics for the mythology it is.

Take the cases of Copernicus and Galileo.

Now let's consider your reply. In typical theistic fashion you attack the messenger rather than debate the message. In my post I never stated all theists nor did I cite these examples as the inclusive list. Your meme fights any explanation for reality that competes with talking snakes and suicidal deities...both pure myth.

Post edited at 3:10 am on Jan. 14, 2009 by LogicandReason

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Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:00 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

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Why do theist hate science so?

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Where did you get that idea?

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 As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine.  Some birth control!  And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion!  But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.

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Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason???

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Those are but a few examples.  From the time of early atomic theory (Democritus/5th century BCE) theist have been trying to thwart science because it exposes supernatural metaphysics for the mythology it is.  

Take the cases of Copernicus and Galileo.

Now let's consider your reply.  In typical theistic fashion you attack the messenger rather than debate the message.  In my post I never stated all theists nor did I cite these examples as the inclusive list.  Your meme fights any explanation for reality that competes with talking snakes and suicidal deities...both pure myth.

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No, you didn't say ALL theists but then you didn't qualify it at all. You didn't say most or some or a few, you simply said 'theists'... which would imply you believe it's inclusive of pretty much all theists.

And I believe you used those examples because you think those are the easy ones to "prove". But so far your 'message' has all been opinion. Yours.

I don't have any problem at all with science. I have a problem with foolish people who attempt to use science against God/theism/religion. That's not what science is about. And I'm not a very religious person myself.

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