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Racism - part of brain
Replies: 89Last Post Dec. 5, 2008 12:46am by Trendz
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Test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/" target="_top">http://https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Implicit attitudes on race are assessed by tests like the  Implicit Association Test (the link above)

Subjects are shown photos of Blacks and Whites and asked to pair positive and negative words with them.

80% of Whites take longer to associate positive words with Blacks than Whites. This implies that that Whites have implicit negative stereotypes of Blacks.


The thing that's interesting is that there's a gap between Whites certainly positive attitudes about Blacks and their certainly negative attitudes.

Even liberal Whites show certain negative attitudes toward Blacks (although less negative than conservatives).

In fact, White liberals are more race-hypocritical than conservatives because there is a larger gap between implicit attitudes and explicit attitudes towards Blacks.


What's actually happening is that the conscious (explicit) brain is thinking positive thoughts about blacks because it is culturally pushed on them and they don't want to be "Racist" - it's suppressing the negative thoughts deep below the implicit part of the brain.

In one study,


Subjects were shown photos of blacks and whites while hooked up to an fMRI machine that takes pictures of the brain in action. When the photos were shown for very brief periods—too short to be explicitly processed, the fMRI showed that whites had a negative response to the photos of blacks. This procedure therefore measures implicit negative attitudes toward blacks. However, the photos of blacks were presented for a much longer period, so that they were processed by the explicit part of the brain. The difference in negative reaction to black and white faces decreased.


This happened because the prefrontal cortex/explicit processing were activated.

In other words: people CONSCIOUSLY aware that they are seeing Blacks have less negative thoughts than those that aren't - and they can suppress those negative thoughts (http://preview.tinyurl.com/66owqt" target="_top">http://http://preview.tinyurl.com/66owqt).


Yeah.. discuss?


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Yeah, listen dude. What do you think white people see blacks in their dreams everynight? This study is flawed by its very logic. Implicit, suppressing the not very popular views, lol.

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Yeah, listen dude. What do you think white people see blacks in their dreams everynight? This study is flawed by its very logic. Implicit, suppressing the not very popular views, lol.

Explain.

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My history teach did a test on us once where he told us to draw an average american.

Being about 12 or 13 at the time, pretty much the whole class drew the steroptype: a white, fatish dude with a baseball shirt and cap.

He told us we were racist because none of us drew a black person.
Surely, if over 50% of Americas population is white, then a white person IS a typical American still? It doesnt mean that white people are the only americans, but it does make them more representative.

I rarely trust stats over issues of race.

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He told us we were racist because none of us drew a black person.
He's a retard.


I rarely trust stats over issues of race.
That tested brain impulses when presented with other races.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 8:42 pm on Nov. 26, 2008


He told us we were racist because none of us drew a black person.
He's a retard.


I rarely trust stats over issues of race.
That tested brain impulses when presented with other races.

They dont know exaclty that those brain impulses mean though.
The brain could simply be processing that the person isnt of the average skin colour and documenting it in a different place. Whether someone is racist or not, they still notice whether a person is white, mixed, race, black, asian etc. the brain still has to notice something.

Also, there are deep rooted stereotypes within people. It is probably automatic for a londoner who see's an Asian man to roughly calculate the chance that he is a terrorist, even if it is subconscious. I wouldnt say that is racist, more self preservation, because the same sort of reaction would most likely occur if a white man with a knife and hood was shown.

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They dont know exaclty that those brain impulses mean though.
The brain could simply be processing that the person isnt of the average skin colour and documenting it in a different place. Whether someone is racist or not, they still notice whether a person is white, mixed, race, black, asian etc. the brain still has to notice something.

Also, there are deep rooted stereotypes within people. It is probably automatic for a londoner who see's an Asian man to roughly calculate the chance that he is a terrorist, even if it is subconscious. I wouldnt say that is racist, more self preservation, because the same sort of reaction would most likely occur if a white man with a knife and hood was shown.


I know it's not racism.

But, to the USA, it IS.

They came with negative attitudes. They tested when given more time (where instinct can be overpowered) that less negative attitudes were given.

It's just proof that people unknowingly stereotype and we would all be better off with our own people.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 8:58 pm on Nov. 26, 2008


They dont know exaclty that those brain impulses mean though.
The brain could simply be processing that the person isnt of the average skin colour and documenting it in a different place. Whether someone is racist or not, they still notice whether a person is white, mixed, race, black, asian etc. the brain still has to notice something.

Also, there are deep rooted stereotypes within people. It is probably automatic for a londoner who see's an Asian man to roughly calculate the chance that he is a terrorist, even if it is subconscious. I wouldnt say that is racist, more self preservation, because the same sort of reaction would most likely occur if a white man with a knife and hood was shown.


I know it's not racism.

But, to the USA, it IS.

They came with negative attitudes. They tested when given more time (where instinct can be overpowered) that less negative attitudes were given.

It's just proof that people unknowingly stereotype and we would all be better off with our own people.



Oh ok.
Well i agree with you on the unknowlingly sterotype bit, but i have to differ on the "best with our own people" thing. I guess thats just our points of view :)

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Oh ok.
Well i agree with you on the unknowlingly sterotype bit, but i have to differ on the "best with our own people" thing. I guess thats just our points of view :)

That would be the "Stop the hate - separate" ideology that I have - opposite of mixing everyone so racism doesn't exist (or race for that matter) - and I find that horrific.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 9:05 pm on Nov. 26, 2008


Oh ok.
Well i agree with you on the unknowlingly sterotype bit, but i have to differ on the "best with our own people" thing. I guess thats just our points of view :)

That would be the "Stop the hate - separate" ideology that I have - opposite of mixing everyone so racism doesn't exist (or race for that matter) - and I find that horrific.

isnt it also possible that separation would create more rivalry and racism though? People would start getting racially competative, there would be interracial sports...

Could get messier than it is now even.
Even if they are totally segregated, that still leaves the question open of "why?" and sadly many people would conclude that it is because one race is superior to the others.

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