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Quote: from kidd rune at 10:02 am on Nov. 28, 2008
 Colony of Roanoke. 
Oh the "lost colony". There was no evidnce they were murdered or that any harm was intentionally done to them. They just were forced to leave. Could have been weather, lack of food, sickness. No one knows why they just left the place. Croatan was the place were they had agreed to meet bu no one know if they made it or if they just died of exposure.
In 1587, the English again attempted to settle. John White, father of one of the colonists, and grandfather to the first English child born in the New World, Virginia Dare, left the colony to return to England for supplies that he felt would help the colonists to survive, expecting to return to Roanoke Island within three months. Instead, he found England at war with Spain, and all ships were confiscated for use of the war efforts. His return to Roanoke Island was delayed until 1590. When he finally returned, the colonists had disappeared. The only thing he found was the word "CROATOAN" carved into a nearby tree. Before leaving the colony for England three years earlier, White left instructions with the colonists that if they were forced to abandon their settlement on Roanoke, that they were to carve out the name of the place where they were going and a cross under the carving if they left due to danger. "CROATOAN" was the name of an island to the south (modern-day Hatteras Island), where a friendly native tribe were known to live, and it was thus reasonable to assume that the colonists had left the Roanoke settlement bound for that island. However, foul weather would keep White from venturing south to search on Croatoan for the colonists, and they returned to England. White would never return to the New World. The fate of the colony has never been authoritatively ascertained, and consequently it became known as "The Lost Colony".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Island In fact that whole story showed that they had plenty of frindly natives around and that they knew that the people of Croatan would help. Want to read what those horrible savages did?
The king of the said province is called Menatonon, a man impotent in his limbs, but otherwise for a savage, a very grave and wise man, and of a very singular good discourse in matters concerning the state, not only of his own country, and the disposition of his own men, but also of his neighbors round about him as well far as near, and of the commodities that each country yields.
The king of Chawanook promised to give me guides to go overland into that king's country whensoever I would: but he advised me to take good store of men with me, and good store of victual, for he said, that king would be loth to suffer any strangers to enter into his country, and especially to meddle with the fishing for any pearls there, and that he was able to make a great many of men in to the field, which he said would fight very well...
Yeah those mean savages... http://www.nationalcenter.org/ColonyofRoanoke.html If you really read and understand the text there are few things that you find out 1. The English colonist had a lot of trouble geting and finding food to survive. They depended a lot on the local "savages" to proved them with supplies. 2. The colonists were very interested in the riches like meinreals and pearls nd other goods. They were willing to go to unsafe places and places which they had been warned by other natives would be unsafe just to get those riches/ 3. Each tribes of natives and groups had theirown king and was responsible only of their specific territory. Some kings were friendly to the strangers and helped them. Others did not like strangers to just come and take things and interefere with the environmnt. Taking pearls disrubs the fish. Mining for ores disturbs the ground. natuve americaans have always known more aobout their own country and how important it was to keep it in balance. The European strangers never understood this until the late 20th century.
I know some were sent to go and take a government position under British rule and were never impoverished. Another was spreading his trading company or something and was actually quite rich - his money didn't just disappear.
Well they came here to make money and bcome powerful. Just like everyone else. Guess their greed and pride led to your doom then.
I know one more came taking a bunch of slaves to the Americas - his boat got delayed and he just had a house and it never left again - don't know why. They did sell the slaves and that must have given him part of the profit.
He brought some blacks to America? Bad bad bad! He's the one that started the destrcution of your race!!! 
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Oh the "lost colony". There was no evidnce they were murdered or that any harm was intentionally done to them. They just were forced to leave. Could have been weather, lack of food, sickness. No one knows why they just left the place. Croatan was the place were they had agreed to meet bu no one know if they made it or if they just died of exposure.
One of the theories is that they were killed by natives, as I said. It's not the only example though.
In fact that whole story showed that they had plenty of frindly natives around and that they knew that the people of Croatan would help. Want to read what those horrible savages did? --- eah those mean savages... http://www.nationalcenter.org/ColonyofRoanoke.html If you really read and understand the text there are few things that you find out 1. The English colonist had a lot of trouble geting and finding food to survive. They depended a lot on the local "savages" to proved them with supplies. 2. The colonists were very interested in the riches like meinreals and pearls nd other goods. They were willing to go to unsafe places and places which they had been warned by other natives would be unsafe just to get those riches/ 3. Each tribes of natives and groups had theirown king and was responsible only of their specific territory. Some kings were friendly to the strangers and helped them. Others did not like strangers to just come and take things and interefere with the environmnt. Taking pearls disrubs the fish. Mining for ores disturbs the ground. natuve americaans have always known more aobout their own country and how important it was to keep it in balance. The European strangers never understood this until the late 20th century.
But not all tribes were nice - and again many tribes would attack other tribes for being friendly to the pale skinned newcomers.
Well they came here to make money and bcome powerful. Just like everyone else. Guess their greed and pride led to your doom then.
The first ones I spoke of were told to go from the British. The second didn't plan on actually living in the USA - but complications made him stay and the new family he had (With a daughter of a famous ship captain at the time) made him stay.
Greed and pride? There wasn't really any. Good thing you're a master at my genealogy!
He brought some blacks to America? Bad bad bad! He's the one that started the destrcution of your race!!!
The threat is mostly in Europe. And the damn John Wilkes Boothe fucked us over. Lincoln was going to send back all the Blacks to Africa!
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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:19 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Oh the "lost colony". There was no evidnce they were murdered or that any harm was intentionally done to them. They just were forced to leave. Could have been weather, lack of food, sickness. No one knows why they just left the place. Croatan was the place were they had agreed to meet bu no one know if they made it or if they just died of exposure.
One of the theories is that they were killed by natives, as I said. It's not the only example though.
In fact that whole story showed that they had plenty of frindly natives around and that they knew that the people of Croatan would help. Want to read what those horrible savages did? --- eah those mean savages... http://www.nationalcenter.org/ColonyofRoanoke.html If you really read and understand the text there are few things that you find out 1. The English colonist had a lot of trouble geting and finding food to survive. They depended a lot on the local "savages" to proved them with supplies. 2. The colonists were very interested in the riches like meinreals and pearls nd other goods. They were willing to go to unsafe places and places which they had been warned by other natives would be unsafe just to get those riches/ 3. Each tribes of natives and groups had theirown king and was responsible only of their specific territory. Some kings were friendly to the strangers and helped them. Others did not like strangers to just come and take things and interefere with the environmnt. Taking pearls disrubs the fish. Mining for ores disturbs the ground. natuve americaans have always known more aobout their own country and how important it was to keep it in balance. The European strangers never understood this until the late 20th century.
But not all tribes were nice - and again many tribes would attack other tribes for being friendly to the pale skinned newcomers.
Well they came here to make money and bcome powerful. Just like everyone else. Guess their greed and pride led to your doom then.
The first ones I spoke of were told to go from the British. The second didn't plan on actually living in the USA - but complications made him stay and the new family he had (With a daughter of a famous ship captain at the time) made him stay.
Greed and pride? There wasn't really any. Good thing you're a master at my genealogy!
He brought some blacks to America? Bad bad bad! He's the one that started the destrcution of your race!!!
The threat is mostly in Europe. And the damn John Wilkes Boothe fucked us over. Lincoln was going to send back all the Blacks to Africa!
But I still have yet to see why you are the only one aloud to use Wikipedia sources.......
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But I still have yet to see why you are the only one aloud to use Wikipedia sources.......
What exactly did you refer to with Wikipedia? What Wikipedia page?
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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:44 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
I don't think recorded events are biased........
When they record some events and deliberately fail to say that some Klans aren't racist it is.
But its just a theory/
But it's a possibility...
Hey not all Eruopeans were nice to Europeans...The history of Europe shows this pretty well
Of course - but Europe had boundaries and kingdoms. Africa had tribe vs tribe - no unification really.
What other reasons have you mentioned?
None of them came for greed and pride...
Oh so all your rant about the "destruction of races" was mostly about Europe ?
Pretty much - the way I see it Whites shouldn't really be in North America. I'd trade the USA for Europe any day. People say "YOU STOLE LAND FROM THE INDIANS!!! ITS THERE LAND" and I say "Well - I'd give it back if you can take all the nonWhites out of Europe."
Sure I mean once you are done with people just kill them or send them black. They're just objects you can trample and throw away at will.
Lincoln wanted to send them back because - obviously everyone wanted them back. Blacks complain about how they were segregated against and all that shit in the USA - we could have sent them back to Africa and avoided that problem. We could have sent them back to Africa - because, obviously, we just took them form Africa against their will - and put them back where THEY wanted to be.
hell no, I'm sorry but you are way off. After generation after generation of being slaves, many blacks don't know how to even survive in Africa. That's like someone being a martian and you bring them to earth and enslave them for generations. Then when a generation is born into slavery and are still around when the "martian slavery" ends, you would decide to send them back to mars where they do not even know what looks like. the generations of blacks growing up in America, all they know is America so you can't just say " Thanks for all your hard labor but you can go back to Africa now even though you do not know the African language from being taught English......
Honestly at least I thought you were smart enough to get that logic.....
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Which makes it a pretty lame example.
Well - nobody knows WHO started it - what I said. Therefore - you can't say Whites massacred the Indians for no reason if there is a chance that they started the war.
{b]konown boundaries and kigdoms/ The terroitory covered by native tribes and their kings was less nown to the european.s It doesn't mean it didn't exist.
There was no formal territorial claims. Many of the tribes had no way to communicate. In Europe they had boundaries set up (though they fought over some of them).
Coming to get money to become rich is not greed. Coming to accept a position as official under the british govenrment is not pride? Being a slave trader and getting rich from that is not greed?
You don't know the difference between GREED and BUSINESS. It was the JOB of one of my forefathers to be in a ship dedicated to bringing slaves to the Americas - is he greedy because he wanted money to live off of? The fact that he had to stay wasn't his fault either. And the other one for "Pride" was TOLD to go to the Americas. I doubt it was really his choice.
The other one that came was spreading his company. It's called business. Greed - an excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves.
How do you know he didn't need the money because he wasn't getting business in Europe?
Its funny how you catch felings over that though.
Didn't catch feelings Jakey. Why did YOUR ancestors come to the USA?
Ok...Then why were you bitching about Hispanics immigrating into your area then? If you have no right to be here in the first place then stop bitching about other ppl being there.
I'm not bitching about them coming here - but the fact that they are destroying culture that has taken shape here and deliberately forcing others to change to THEIR needs. This is the year 2008 - do some people never learn?
Source for "everyone"?
Your slave owners sure didn't want them back. They just want them down, not out ....
If they couldn't have them as slaves, why would they want them in the USA?
*COUGH* Original KKK *COUGH*
At the time Lincoln was thinking about it blacks wre still slaves in the South. Not just segregated.
He didn't want them in the USA at all! "I will say, then, that I AM NOT NOR HAVE EVER BEEN in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever FORBID the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race."
-Abraham Lincoln, 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate, 18 ix. Collected Works Vol. 3, pp. 145-146.
"But for your race among us there could not be a war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another."
-Lincoln blaming Negroes for the Civil War.
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