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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:44 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
 When they record some events and deliberately fail to say that some Klans aren't racist it is. 
Wiki can be changed by anyone right. Meaning if you see some error or something not completely exact it's YOUR duty to change it. Other wise don't bitch.
We could have sent them back to Africa - because, obviously, we just took them form Africa against their will - and put them back where THEY wanted to be.
And you would have to reimburse all those slave owners who probably wanted their money back. Not to mention compensate those slaves for being taken from their country and used as cattle for months or years or generations. 
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Jakelong, you should probably accept that black people were properly discriminated against for years though. Sure, the 13th amendment was passed, then that was replaced by Jim Crow laws and literacy tests.
Black people werent truly free until the 1950's-60's, and there are still enough racists around now for it to be of some concern
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Discrimination is genetic. It originates a long while ago, back in the early days of our race. to incompletly quote Carl Sagan, "We owed loyalty and allegiance to our own little tribes. other tribes were met with contempt. THey were something less than human."
I cant remember the entire passage, but if you want to find it, look through his book Pale Blue Dot. its a good read. unless you're a creationist. I wont get into that though.
The thing is, its part of us. its not right or necessary, but its just there.
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Wiki can be changed by anyone right. Meaning if you see some error or something not completely exact it's YOUR duty to change it. Other wise don't bitch.
They can fix it and ban you if they don't like your edits.
And you would have to reimburse all those slave owners who probably wanted their money back. Not to mention compensate those slaves for being taken from their country and used as cattle for months or years or generations.
I was speaking of after the slaves were freed.
Can you read their mind or is it that you KNOW what they were thinking because you share those thoughts?
They voted for presidents with the same ideals and the presidents were known to say what the people wanted. Also, abolitionists were rare at that point in time.
Remember - back then Negroes weren't considered humans. That is the way they justified what they did to themselves. If really read what people said back then they called them
"savages" (as in "uncivilized") but still thought of them as humans. it is only during the 19th century that they tried to justify what they did by declaring them not human.
They called then non-human because they didn't think they were human - not to justify what they did. Article 1 section 2 of the Constitution:
"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States[...] Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
Blacks were considered 3/5 of a person.
There was no SINGLE war. Just a series of battles and treaties.
Of course but in historic terms, many times it's considered a war.
You do. The American colonists often considered them as neutral parties and as allies during their war against England.
Yes - but the battles between them raged on.
BTW which side were your ancestors in the Tory vs Revolutionary conflict?
I don't know - though I know one of my ancestors fought in it (The others I'm not sure of - you know there wasn't a perfect record keeping system of that back then).
Sure but since they were fighting with the same weapons the battle was even-handed and did not cause as much damage.
The Whites usually had the upper hand - and the Amerinds only got guns from trades and corpses.
Well then Hispanics are not destroying your race in the US...
They are altering the culture of my area - what I've said...
Was the US ever better than Europe in your mind?
Not really - all of Europe combined was probably always a little better than the USA - but by "Better" you mean what specifically? Better technology? Better government?
They came over and "destroyed" the Indian race by imposing their culture and language otherwise we would be still be speaking whichever native language is most used in the area where we live and practicing their culture....
How do you know MY ancestors did it?
Maybe everyone I descend from sat back and watched.
Maynbe the Hispanics are just having a normal life in Florida without any fighting...
This claim can be disproven because I SEE the proof right here - they all aren't really doing so. My ancestors are different - nobody is old enough to have known.
How can you assure me of this?
They agreed with it.
This is common knowledge of American history! The Abolitionists were a small group compared to the rest of the USA.
Apparently plenty of people DID want them there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1866 But yeah I am sure the slave owners and racists could not stand having blacks around if they couldn't put their foot over black's head any longer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society
Check that out. And there was ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in having Blacks in the USA if they weren't slaves. Remember - they weren't multicultural loving like the people of today...
Show me the evidence for "most". Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. As usual.
Common sense?
Common knowledge of American history? If most of them DID want them to be considered equals - why the hell were they "Oppressed" for so long?
Wait what? Prove to me that THE REASON Lincon was re-elected in 1864 is BECAUSE he wanted to send them back to Africa (and no don't repeat posts quoting him about that intention. most of us already know that) Show where his intention was USED to get re-elected. Here is the platform for Lincoln's national party http://tinyurl.com/6xblfz
Nothing here about sending blacks back to Liberia. This was an idea made AFTER Lincoln had been re-elected
That wasn't the only reason he got elected. And he formulated the idea when the war was almost over I believe.
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Quote: from sadnessness at 7:38 am on Dec. 1, 2008
Jakelong, you should probably accept that black people were properly discriminated against for years though. Sure, the 13th amendment was passed, then that was replaced by Jim Crow laws and literacy tests.
Black people werent truly free until the 1950's-60's, and there are still enough racists around now for it to be of some concern
I never said they weren't. In fact most of the topic is about discriminated. I am arguing with the local retard WN about greed and slavery. He was trying to justify it by saying Lincoln didn't want blacks around and that according to him that is PROOF that blacks were not wanted by all whites. To him that proves that whites and black belong in different countries. I hope you don't agree with that...
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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:29 pm on Dec. 2, 2008
The constitution called them 3/5 of a human.
Actually that's not exactly what went on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise
The Three-Fifths Compromise was a compromise between Southern and Northern states reached during the Philadelphia Convention of 1787 in which three-fifths of the population of slaves would be counted for enumeration purposes regarding both the distribution of taxes and the apportionment of the members of the United States House of Representatives. It was proposed by delegates James Wilson and Roger Sherman. Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state. Delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves at their actual numbers.
The 3/5 compromise was made for TAX puposes and counting SLAVES as 3/5 of a regular population allowed slave states to increase their population count. So according to your logic those in FAVOR of slavery wanted slaves to count as FULLY human and those OPPOSED to slavery wanted them to count as NON-HUMAN? Yeah that makes a LOT of sense (this is sarcasm btw I know you are slow with that)  The 3/5 compromised was purely a compromise for TAX and POPULATION COUNTING purposes. It was NOT meant originally to estimate the VALUE or "humanity" of a slave. Its really funny how you like to portray the ppl of the 19th century as much more racist than they really were.
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First you say "everyone" as in all whites and all nonwhites. Then you say "1/2 of whites" Now you say "most whites" Which is it really? You haven't given any evidence for any of that either.
Do you just not believe that most Whites thought that or do you just want proof - something that only common sense and historical knowledge can bring.
1. When you say "the people of that day" you are not saying who and why and in what circumstance. 2. The fact that they thought them humans or not doesn't have much to do with sending them back to Africa. There's no evidence that the 2 ideas are at all CONNECTED. If you have proof you never given it.
Most Whites believed them to be inferior beasts that had no right as anything but property to them. They didn't treat them equally for a long time - why wouldn't they treat them equally if they loved them so much?
are many of those countries with only 1% blacks ALREADY. Why NO blacks at all? What is the motivation?
Why not just have none?
Jewpedia right? Yeah I get it...
It has a bias over everything - Jewish or not.
For both.
Well, presidents will LIE about what they thought the people wanted because that's how you get votes. Lincoln did that a lot. And why the hell do you need proof that people vote for who they like?
The constitution called them 3/5 of a human. Actually that's not exactly what went on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise The 3/5 compromise was made for TAX puposes and counting SLAVES as 3/5 of a regular population allowed slave states to increase their population count. So according to your logic those in FAVOR of slavery wanted slaves to count as FULLY human and those OPPOSED to slavery wanted them to count as NON-HUMAN? Yeah that makes a LOT of sense (this is sarcasm btw I know you are slow with that) The 3/5 compromised was purely a compromise for TAX and POPULATION COUNTING purposes. It was NOT meant originally to estimate the VALUE or "humanity" of a slave. Its really funny how you like to portray the ppl of the 19th century as much more racist than they really were.
Stop right there. The last sentence... You're such a hipocrate. You called them all greedy whip cracking slave drivers - and said I shouldn't be proud of my slave selling ancestors. YOU make them seem racist. YOU say we're still oppressing them or just stopped - and that's still affecting the Negro of today...
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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:22 pm on Dec. 3, 2008
Do you just not believe that most Whites thought that or do you just want proof - something that only common sense and historical knowledge can bring.
When you pop numbers out you must have some data, Otherwise it's just BS.
Most Whites believed them to be inferior beasts that had no right as anything but property to them.
Prove it.
They didn't treat them equally for a long time - why wouldn't they treat them equally if they loved them so much?
Love=/= Consider human =/= treat equally 3 different topics, 3 different issues.
Why not just have none?
What would happen if ONE was there?
has a bias over everything - Jewish or not.
you called it that.
Well, presidents will LIE about what they thought the people wanted because that's how you get votes. Lincoln did that a lot.
How do you know his statement has SOMETHING to do with being RE ELECTED? Show me the PROOF not a bunch of general BS.
And why the hell do you need proof that people vote for who they like?
I need you to show me there was a CONNECTION between the liberia idea and him being re-elected. You made that claim. It shouldn't be hard to provide evidence for that. And no, "common sense" doesn't cut it even when you're dealing with history. If I make a statement for a history essay or even an english essay I have to PROVE my statement. I can't just tell the teacher "it's common sense". If you don't know that your teachers are doing a crap job.
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