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Going Post-physical
Would you?
Replies: 5Last Post Dec. 3, 2008 1:50am by Colleen35
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So say that the technology is there. You can rig yourself up to some electrodes and transfer your entire essence into a memory device, and float around the internet as you wish. Make Second Life your First Life, for example.

I'm just curious... would you do it? Would you sacrifice your body, your humanity, for the transforming the virtual into reality? It's something that I've been mulling over for a long time.

I think, in the end, I would do it. Well, I know I would. My thirst to see the future outweighs my attachment to emotions, mortality, the "horror/boredom" of virtual immortality (something I attribute to human emotion anyway), etc... I want to know what happens. I want to be there at the end. I want to see humanity reach its pinnacle. That's the point of evolution, after all, and I don't want to be some stepping stone on the journey. I want to see if we even survive the destruction of our current ecosystem (it seems like that's inevitable at the moment), and if we do, what happens next. Every trial and tribulation.

I want to be able to think in new ways. I want to be unhampered by my body, and its pitfalls. I want to think faster, I want to think clearer, and I want to think without distraction. I want to partition my mind, mimic the holy trinity. I want to be modular, ever expanding my capabilities. I want reality to bend to my will. Let's face it, there's only so much the mind can do with mortality, hormones, and toxins. Which raises another question, I guess.

When would you do it? The end of your natural life? The prime? Would you wait until you had died, and get someone to transfer your mind then (assume it possible to boot up the brain so to speak). Or would you do it ASAP?

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6:37 am on Nov. 25, 2008 | Joined: Aug. 2007 | Days Active: 565
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I do not understand the hypothetical. You say the "entire essence" would be transferred, and then say that human emotion would not pass over.

Without emotion, without desire, you would remain silent and impassive for the rest of your existence. Your thirst for knowledge would vanish. You would never partition your mind. You would never expand your capabilities. You would do nothing, for you would lack all motivation. I see no upside.


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I would consider emotion to be part of the construct, not the essence. Emotions are hormones which are interpreted. It's the synapses themselves which I would consider the essence of the person. Perhaps I just meant the consciousness. Either way, poor lexical choices can be overlooked.

There's absolutely no reason why self improvement cannot be a digital desire. We already have it in embedded systems, the desire to do things and improve upon them. If I decided upon my objective, to observe, then I would partake in it, whether I had the drive to or not. That aside, there's no reason why the drive should be lost.

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The thing is that the point at which we can actually transfer our entire mind into electronic form and have it run from there, computers will be able to expand upon our own model so well.  We will be completely obsolete.  Our "minds" will not mean anything at all, because even if there were some reason we'd want to upload our individual neural configuration, we'd be so well-networked with everyone else that we'd become like individual cells.  

Computers are not governed by natural selection; they will be able to improve themselves better than that, so they won't need it, and they'll be motivated to do a single thing: what we tell them to.

The concept of me, personally, being at the end just seems meaningless.  At best, computers will be able to keep me alive and make me happy roughly forever, if only because that's what they're told to do.

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Quote: from allsmiles at 11:21 pm on Nov. 25, 2008

I would consider emotion to be part of the construct, not the essence. Emotions are hormones which are interpreted. It's the synapses themselves which I would consider the essence of the person. Perhaps I just meant the consciousness. Either way, poor lexical choices can be overlooked.

But poor concepts cannot. You have yet to provide a clear cut definition of this "essence" and it makes debate rather difficult.


There's absolutely no reason why self improvement cannot be a digital desire.

Desire is an emotion.

We already have it in embedded systems, the desire to do things and improve upon them. If I decided upon my objective, to observe, then I would partake in it, whether I had the drive to or not. That aside, there's no reason why the drive should be lost.

A rock does not choose to roll down hill, and computers do not choose to do things. You could "program" a certain modus operandi into yourself, and you would follow it blindly and slavishly, but you would not desire it and you would gain no pleasure from it. Without curiosity or the potential for happiness, knowledge and power are irrelevant.

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Quote: from allsmiles at 3:21 pm on Nov. 25, 2008

Emotions are hormones which are interpreted.

I disagree with this.  I believe that emotions are something tied into the human essence, which manifest as hormone level in order to let the brain understand the workings of the mind.

As to the topic at hand, I'm not sure it would be possible to transfer the essence of a person into a computer.  Perhaps you could make a copy of their observable output, but there's something more than neurons firing, and I don't think it would reside anywhere other than its chosen body for a lifetime.  I most certainly wouldn't do it, though I'd be sort of intrigued to see what happened to someone who did.

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