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Replies: 33Last Post Dec. 6, 2008 6:25am by jakelong
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I know that there are alot of topics in this particular section that are anti-black. But honestly with so many people (not just on one site but on the news, in the papers, and in the general public) are complaining about the actions/demeanor of one race, then isn't it just possible that something is significantly wrong with the culture in general. And how is it the white man's fault if there is (for those of you who say blacks do have a general problem but it's all the fault of the white man) especially when their own African tribes sold them out. I mean it's all over the news right now people shooting each other, some guy held up his own family at gunpoint, deadbeat fathers that I personally know and they're all black. What's wrong with you people who act "ghetto" or "gangster" and think it's cool and popular. You and your race just look stupid. And logically if there are so many people talking about you, property values going down because of you, and your murder/drug rates are higher than any other race in the United States, there is something wrong with your logic. Why are doctors normally portrayed white and crack dealers black? I mean it's not the white media or a Jewish conspiracy because hell blacks have many film productions in Hollywood to portray themselves well. They nearly always choose gangster, drugs, or some ghetto dance movies to the greater films of our time like DaVinci Code and Passion of the Christ (I haven't seen movies in a while but I know the ones from 2006) and now Twilight. There are almost no good portrayals of blacks anywhere in society and mostly black neighborhoods are drug and crime ridden armpits of society.

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D'oh!

Yet another who doesn't know much about history!

If you're so sure about the "evils" of blacks, what do you say perhaps on the subject of slavery? Or perhaps of the colonies? Or perhaps the driving out of native Americans by the whites? Or the murder of the Aborigines by the whites? Or the fact that blacks couldn't even vote or walk on the same street as a white person simply because they're black?

If you think there's a problem with blacks, I would look again, this time properly, and re-assess that view.


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Quote: from yellowsapphire at 6:16 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

D'oh!

Yet another who doesn't know much about history!

If you're so sure about the "evils" of blacks, what do you say perhaps on the subject of slavery? Or perhaps of the colonies? Or perhaps the driving out of native Americans by the whites? Or the murder of the Aborigines by the whites? Or the fact that blacks couldn't even vote or walk on the same street as a white person simply because they're black?

If you think there's a problem with blacks, I would look again, this time properly, and re-assess that view.


Slavery is still in many countries. It was certainly an acceptable practice pre-civil war times. And if whites are so evil driving out the natives of two lands then blacks should certainly feel horrible about their native African tribes that some of them cooked up and ate. Others were just speared to death. And a current times comparison (which I'm living in the present not the past as you are. I was talking about modern-day whereas you feel the need to expound upon thousands of years of history) shows that there is genocide throughout Africa, most recently Dafur and Rwanda, against their own people nonetheless! White countries, well other than terrorist attacks from foreigners we seem to be doing much better on the whole genocide side of things nowadays.

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Your generalizing.

which makes you prejudiced.

which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.


which means it doesnt count.

=)

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Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.

which makes you prejudiced.

which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.

 
which means it doesnt count.

=)


Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.

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Quote: from Chava at 3:28 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.  

 which makes you prejudiced.  

 which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.  

 
 which means it doesnt count.  

 =)


Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.


he wouldnt be prejudiced, he would be biased.

which would mean he knew what he was doing.

=)

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There are black people that choose to be violent. Though you must understand that there is a difference between being black and being white in this country. There are a lot of blacks that do apply themselves and some that don't. A lot of the gangsters and people committing crimes are the ones that are poor or don't have as much wealth. Don't judge the black race because of this for being oppressed has put some blacks in this position of never having anything. This is why we have ghetto's and many white people don't want to admit that blacks have it different. As for property taxes, people are just once again trying to blame the minority for the bad loans that were given by the banks, knowing these people couldn't pay so they can get money. Are you paying attention to what's going on with the bailouts? besides It is a common misconception that drug dealers are black. I see more white drug dealers getting busted at times. Not to say whites sell drugs more or vise versa but I think you got caught up in a stereotype. Also If your talking about Movies like Stomp the Yard those are not bad movies because they show excellent street dancing which is very difficult and is a form of dance thank you. If you are saying those are ghetto dance moves, allow me to correct you, if not them never mind. Also the " you and your race look stupid" part is just ignorant. Mainly because the " You" part as if your assuming we all act like that. That just shows your ignorance. Notice How the ones who act ghetto or gangster are the younger teens to this generation. That is just a trend thing. You didn't have much of that a long time ago. It started with those stupid "Gangster" icons that you see singing about big butts (which are by the way funded by white people) who inspire these young kids that it's cool to act gangster all the time. Aside from Africans selling people out too, we all know that it does not excuse the events that took place after in America. I am not saying that it is all white peoples fault but many don't or do not want to realize that events in the past shape why things are today and if you don't agree then you don't know how history and events work. How much rage, ignorance and insensitivity your post contains is no surprise to me though. Please understand, there are black people that choose to do the wrong thing, but many blacks don't have as much money as some whites do and are unfortunately looked at differently which puts a spike on their road to success... I hope you understand.....

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Quote: from Chava at 11:24 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from yellowsapphire at 6:16 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

D'oh!  

 Yet another who doesn't know much about history!  

 If you're so sure about the "evils" of blacks, what do you say perhaps on the subject of slavery? Or perhaps of the colonies? Or perhaps the driving out of native Americans by the whites? Or the murder of the Aborigines by the whites? Or the fact that blacks couldn't even vote or walk on the same street as a white person simply because they're black?  

 If you think there's a problem with blacks, I would look again, this time properly, and re-assess that view.


Slavery is still in many countries. It was certainly an acceptable practice pre-civil war times. And if whites are so evil driving out the natives of two lands then blacks should certainly feel horrible about their native African tribes that some of them cooked up and ate. Others were just speared to death. And a current times comparison (which I'm living in the present not the past as you are. I was talking about modern-day whereas you feel the need to expound upon thousands of years of history) shows that there is genocide throughout Africa, most recently Dafur and Rwanda, against their own people nonetheless! White countries, well other than terrorist attacks from foreigners we seem to be doing much better on the whole genocide side of things nowadays.


Y'know what? I would need about 6 pages and about 3 hours to explain to you precisely why you're wrong.

Unfortunately, even if I did, it would be in vain, since you're obviously a racist and a bigot, one of those people who aren't particularly open-minded, or ironically, logical.

A logical person would look at all the factors, instead of using their own prejudices.

All I will say, is, whilst this is still history, it was barely a century ago, still in people's lifetimes that Hitler (a white person!) commited the grossest act of genocide the world has ever seen. Bigger and on a larger scale than anything else (including blacks) we've ever seen.

Or is that too close a period for you?

Or perhaps you don't care?


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Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:29 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:28 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.

  which makes you prejudiced.

  which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.

   
  which means it doesnt count.

  =)


 

 Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.


he wouldnt be prejudiced, he would be biased.

which would mean he knew what he was doing.

=)


I was saying he was prejudice to begin with and then guess what the black man didn't have a high school diploma. Would that make him unjustified in hiring the high school graduate who happened to also be white, raising his preference to the white man.

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Quote: from Chava at 3:32 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:29 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:28 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.    

  which makes you prejudiced.    

  which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.    

     
  which means it doesnt count.    

  =)


  Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.


 

 he wouldnt be prejudiced, he would be biased.  

 which would mean he knew what he was doing.  

 =)


I was saying he was prejudice to begin with and then guess what the black man didn't have a high school diploma. Would that make him unjustified in hiring the high school graduate who happened to also be white, raising his preference to the white man.


Nope. If he preferred the man with the educational background, then by all means, higher the white guy.

what im saying is, not all black people are lazy, or ghetto, and whatnot.

but yea, alot of them are.

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Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:33 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:32 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:29 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:28 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.

   which makes you prejudiced.

   which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.

     
   which means it doesnt count.

   =)


   

  Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.


  he wouldnt be prejudiced, he would be biased.

  which would mean he knew what he was doing.

  =)


 

 I was saying he was prejudice to begin with and then guess what the black man didn't have a high school diploma. Would that make him unjustified in hiring the high school graduate who happened to also be white, raising his preference to the white man.


Nope. If he preferred the man with the educational background, then by all means, higher the white guy.

what im saying is, not all black people are lazy, or ghetto, and whatnot.

 but yea, alot of them are.


I never used the word all. I simply said most and generally. Which is true according to your above statement.

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Quote: from Chava at 3:37 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:33 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:32 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:29 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:28 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.      

    which makes you prejudiced.      

    which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.      

       
    which means it doesnt count.      

    =)


   Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.


   

  he wouldnt be prejudiced, he would be biased.    

  which would mean he knew what he was doing.    

  =)


  I was saying he was prejudice to begin with and then guess what the black man didn't have a high school diploma. Would that make him unjustified in hiring the high school graduate who happened to also be white, raising his preference to the white man.


 

 Nope. If he preferred the man with the educational background, then by all means, higher the white guy.  

 what im saying is, not all black people are lazy, or ghetto, and whatnot.  

  but yea, alot of them are.


I never used the word all. I simply said most and generally. Which is true according to your above statement.


Well it's ignorant to even say most without even knowing. That's something I notice that a lot of white people do. "Most are ghetto and mean!" or some crap like that. the statement itself is based on your limited knowledge......

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Quote: from Chava at 3:37 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:33 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:32 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:29 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from Chava at 3:28 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Quote: from JackieisBlue at 6:25 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

Your generalizing.      

    which makes you prejudiced.      

    which means whatever you say is tainted by your own values.      

       
    which means it doesnt count.      

    =)


   Not neccesarily. I mean if an employer is racist and a white man and black man come in for the same position, assuming the white man finished high school and the black one got a GED and the employer hires the one who did the most work, his prejudice would be validated. Which is what every white success and black failure does to me in a sense.


   

  he wouldnt be prejudiced, he would be biased.    

  which would mean he knew what he was doing.    

  =)


  I was saying he was prejudice to begin with and then guess what the black man didn't have a high school diploma. Would that make him unjustified in hiring the high school graduate who happened to also be white, raising his preference to the white man.


 

 Nope. If he preferred the man with the educational background, then by all means, higher the white guy.  

 what im saying is, not all black people are lazy, or ghetto, and whatnot.  

  but yea, alot of them are.


I never used the word all. I simply said most and generally. Which is true according to your above statement.


Exactly.

=)

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did you just call The Da Vinci Code & Twilight two of the greater films of our time?

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Quote: from Sudo XE at 6:53 pm on Nov. 27, 2008

did you just call The Da Vinci Code & Twilight two of the greater films of our time?

I meant popular but I type pretty fast and don't always catch those little annoying factors that change things significantly.

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