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Quote: from greatescape11 at 2:47 pm on Nov. 26, 2008

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People have an innate fear of things that are different?

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Do you believe that racial mixing is 'different'? It's been happening for god knows how long.. since the meeting of cultures I'd suppose.

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Nonetheless, its been proven that people find features similar to their own more attractive and appealing.  Additionally, they express more stranger anxiety towards people of different ethnicities.

Im not implying this is the sole reason whatsoever, as there is obviously more cognition that goes into it, however I do think it has some influence

Isolation and a homogeneous region may be required in order to preserve both race and culture, but ultimately it is not what I'm interested in. I am interested in Europeans/whites preserving everything that makes them what they are, not mixing with those who are not which would effectively destroy them. Yes, the way they look, their culture, their language, and so on. Having fair/white skin is one attribute to their physical appearance, I am proud of it. If you don't like it, I couldn't give two shits of a care. However they may preserve themselves does not matter, as long it happens. It is hard to argue for the US, Canada, Australia, Uruguay, etc to be all white. Yes those examples were created and are what they are because of white people, but the issue is the claim to the land. Technically natives have more right to it over those who came second. Europe on the other hand is another story, it has every right in the world to preserve itself. If that means out right refusing or simply keeping immigrants to a static low percentage of the population then so be it. It must be controlled. If you argue whites taking of the Americas or Australia, yes this is somewhat true, but two wrongs never make a right. For the non European nations, such as the US, it is going to be up to the people to preserve themselves. Whites will have to do this on their own, raising their families with certain values and morals. Birth rate then becomes an issue, but at least this situation is better than nothing. Balkanization of the US and Canada is a very real possibility for example.  

You are or are close to a "race is a social construct" liberal, blind, ignorant, and probably incapable of understanding the view I would have. There is no winning this argument for either side, so I don't know why you bother. Except that I wish to preserve a people, everything that makes them what they are, and you do not. You say you don't know what white means, to define white, but you know exactly what it means. Don't play dumb. I will never mix with a person who is not white, ever. Nothing that you or anyone else could ever say would change that. I have respect for what I am. Ancestors, tens of thousands of years of history, whatever. What kidd rune said sums up everything in a simple sentence:

"All races have a right to existence - and Whites are no exception"

So for the final question, Arbitrary, what is your ethnicity?

Post edited at 6:57 am on Nov. 26, 2008 by Ngo

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 Looks White, acts White, Fights White. .

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Having fair/white skin is one attribute to their physical appearance, I am proud of it.

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You are or are close to a "race is a social construct" liberal, blind, ignorant, and probably incapable of understanding the view I would have.

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So you think conservatives are NOT ignorant, blind and stupid?

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Balkanization of the US and Canada is a very real possibility for example.  

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The real reason whites population goes down is

1. Too few white immigrants (they are too happy in Europe these days. Not like in the 18th, 19th and early 20th century)

2. Whites don't make enough babies. Its a problem even in Europe.

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Except that I wish to preserve a people, everything that makes them what they are, and you do not.

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1. Why do you think living with other ppl prevents you from "preserving" yourself.

2. What if other whites don't care? Will you force them to care?

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"All races have a right to existence - and Whites are no exception"

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So for the final question, Arbitrary, what is your ethnicity?

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I am interested in Europeans/whites preserving everything that makes them what they are....the way they look, their culture, their language, and so on. Having fair/white skin is one attribute to their physical appearance, I am proud of it.

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I'm not saying race is a social construct, but the things you want to preserve, are. "Culture" is a social construct that has remained distinct because of historical segregation. Except appearance and genetics.

But you're not afraid of genetic extinction of White people right? You're talking about other cultures saturating America and you don't like it.

By the way, I've let myself be led along the topic of racial mix in this topic, when it isn't about that at all. You're talking about CULTURAL saturation, which is why I kept saying that all of those things are arbitrary because it shifts on its own, and now, there are influences from historically different regions.

The genetics side don't really apply because people will go with those who are similar to them, both physically and in terms of values (proven but i don't have source). So it's highly unlikely that White as a race will literally become extinct. So the question comes back to cultural saturation.

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It must be controlled.

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The only way that could happen is if America politically isolated itself. Which is just dysfunctional (see ww2 China isolation). Especially when America plays such a big role in the world economy. It's an empty concept because America is inevitable related to the rest of the world. And cultural exchange will happen.

For eg, do you think you can "learn about Japanese culture" by going to Japan, if no Japanese spoke English? You can't speak Japanese though, because there would be no Japanese programs in America.
No American franchises in Japan.
No English tour guidebooks
You don't know how to eat Japanese food, or what they are, but the Japanese think you are so strange that they are afraid to approach you or teach you

What I'm saying is that it's so integrated. You can't argue for WN without pretending that the world market should or could be different and segregated.  Everything in America (and any other country) is a result of the way the world shaped itself, you can't block out other racial influences and expect anything to function.

I don't care about European settlement issues purely because land is arbitrary in a world where everybody can travel everywhere and contribute to the world economy.

White Australian culture is different from White American culture. But if Aussies were to swarm in to your city and become dominant, would that be okay? What if Australians were to keep to themselves for a few thousand years, they'd be a bit more different. What if they swarmed your city then? If that's okay, then how's it any different from the Blacks/Asians/Otherrace swarming your city?

The above point is that differences ARE a social construct, even if lineage isn't. But lineage is continuous, and can't be threatened. So if it's not okay that Australians swarm your city, then you're all about keeping your ways and not about race (White racial integrity) at all.

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Except that I wish to preserve a people, everything that makes them what they are, and you do not.

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What you want to preserve is a result of history, that's what I'm saying. That's why I asked you to define White culture, I'm not trying to play dumb. I'm saying that what you want to preserve only exists because of no-longer-realistic levels of segregation.

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I have respect for what I am. Ancestors, tens of thousands of years of history, whatever.

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Everybody has respect for what they are.

No race or multiculturalism or change or anything can change what your ancestors were.

But you refuse to acknowledge change from other sources for the FUTURE. Your ancestors were the past, and everything they passed on, obviously survived thus far. Feel free to pass it on. But it has no moral weighting against any other type (race, country) of influence or change.

The tone of your post is going off the preachy end. So it may be the end of the debate after all.

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Name 1 thing from White culture that is at risk of destruction. You're allowed to hypothesize "worst case scenarios". Applebees? Working moms? College drinking? Christianity? Thanksgiving?

If you can't find a salient example, it is because White culture wasn't developed in complete isolation. Here's a more salient example: Middle Eastern females need to be more submissive than their male counterparts. Tell me how that cultural value can be destroyed. If you feel funny about using such an example, you don't have to, your racism isn't in question here.  

But if you don't have an example at all then it shows that your idea of race is an empty concept that has nothing substantial at risk of being destroyed.  

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I can give examples of MY area - LANGUAGE, food, music, and pretty much everything else.

My area is just one of the first to experience the joys of multiculturailsm.

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What does that mean? You never actually say what White is. The reason I ask you to define (and to challenge you to find an example) is because of a principle in multiculturalism - that values are shared across races, and nothing is "owned" by a certain race. Anything that is "White", can also be found in another race, even if it's not the dominant thing in that race.  

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White is a race - simply put. If you're still stuck in that "Skin color" fallacy then go educate yourself.

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The only reason it's not dominant is because of history, a history that is changing as time goes by. There's no inherent value about a race that makes them different. That's what I'm saying. Therefore, there is nothing to preserve.  

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Open your eyes!

Do I need to get out my list of phyisical differences among Whites and Blacks?
What about the brain differences?

Different races THINK differently. It's not just a product of culture either - races are different, and this far exceeds skin, bone structure, and whatever else you SEE.

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No, i don't see the "fine distinction". Different races are now becoming each other's neighbours and environments, which is evolving. Why is "isolation" important? It was only the case because aeroplanes didn't exist and international trade was rare. People were segregated. They are no longer segregated.  

Please explain this instead of rhetoric. Dramatic lines emphasise how you feel but don't say why. And all it means to me is "I like my racial history, I want it to continue in the same way no matter what"

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If Whites mix out - "The beauty of the Aryan woman will be lost forever."
It's not just looks either.

The White race is a creation - be it god, evolution, chance, whatever.

To say this creation has no value forces me to ask:
What, to YOU, has value? Does our species have it?

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They will always continue through whatever mix happens. How does mix kill culture? It looks like a form of change to me. By implying that only unmixed forms count, then you are deliberately excluding everything else on your personal values, not any racial values. You are de-valuing everybody who is not pure. And at an arbitrary percentage/level of "purity" at that.  

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A change is different than a REPLACEMENT.

If cultures could mix and have traits from both and not lose anything - that would be great!

Too bad that has yet to happen and, in reality, it NEVER will happen.

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Historically yes. Only because there were no aeroplanes, international trade, or the Internet.

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Now is it?

What's the dominant culture of the land?

Many of the cultural aspects of Amerind life is now ILLEGAL in the USA. They can't fully practice their culture.
I may be mixing them up with Lapps or something - but I know there is a few native tribes that can't legally practice some of their culture.

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If an American goes to Japan, is he less American for going there? Does he restore Americanness when he returns?

I think people embody values.  Minority cultures have their own flavour, so do subcultures and mixed-cultures. A Black minority culture in America has its own thing, different from a predominantly Black country. And White kids who are in that environment have their own thing, that is not defined by Black or White culture strictly. Why won't you allow people to form their own values, and have those values be valid? Why is it inferior just because it's not "pure"?  

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If an American goes to Japan - he is still American.
If he comes BACK and practices Japanese culture and pushes it out to many people - then, yes, he is less American and more Japanese in my eyes.

If he wanted Japanese culture so bad - he could have stayed in Japan (even though they tend to like their country racially stable)

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Great, but that's not a principle. It's a preference to continue your way, Like teaching your kid to play chess, or choosing to send them to private school. whatever that is. It's based on your personal preferences, not some racial essence.  

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What if people in the future want race to exist? They may not get what they want because of it.

The world needs different races to maintain its beauty, and diversity.

Why destroy something that lived here for so long? Why destroy when you can preserve?

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Races evolve all the time, which is why there is no stable identity. It's only relatively stable now because people have been segregated in history. Whites are diverse enough to survive without more genetic variation, yes probably. But it's not about natural selection here (though varied genes => genetic robustness) But on a cultural sense, evolution/changes happen no matter what.  

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Sure, some places it didn't happen - but how sure can you be that it won't happen in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?

Better safe than sorry. Rome died because there was no unification.

It's a scientific fact that people tend to get along better with people of their own race and culture? Do you need me to explain or do you already know this?

And, yes, scientifically - races are evolving.

But, isolate Whites for a good thousand years (instead of small tribes like humans used to be isolated in) and there will be a small, unnoticeable difference between them and Whites now.

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This is part of changing and mixing. Unpopular values will die, new values developed. You still don't have a reason that mixing is bad or destructive other than that you find it sad. Well, many people don't. It's a nostalgic thing, it's not like certain values don't die over time in isolation. Therefore - no difference.  

I am aware that there is a lot of misleading and fluffy "multiculturalism" propaganda. But that's not the point.  

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As a reason/justification for White preservation, preservation of beaty/differences/individuality is only effective to those who regard that as valuable and important and worth preserving.
It's ineffective to those who regard White individuality as being without value or importance. Therefore, we will only preserve that which we love - and the if the White race is preserved it will be by those who love it.

In general, I try not to justify White preservation on the basis of beauty (The esthetic argument) or intelligence as the right of a race to exist should be an absolute principle of morality and not be dependent on qualities (beauty, intelligence, etc) yet they should be mentioned at every opportunity as a reason why it should be valued and love - and should make clear to any sensible person why beauty, diversity, individuality, and intelligence isn't interchangeable with (or replaceable by) the beauty of any other race.

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Of course it is. Which is why it needs to evolve with an increasingly globalised world. The ideal of preserving certain things that aren't realistic belong in the past.

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And by "evolve with an increasingly globalised world" I know you mean "Forget race and mix" - you're one in a billion.

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No one decided to change this. It's a product of everything else: technology, globalisation, changing markets

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They preach "It's only skin!" or some other bullshit to make people not think it exists.

To PROVE that they have to NORDICIZE the other races!
The only real face is the Nordic one!

This was on PBS by the way...

I've seen ads in movie theaters:
"Wake up. Race is a myth. Racism is real. www.endracism.org."

It's bullshit!

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The reality is a nation can't exist in complete isolation and still participate in world affairs and world trade, and be politically functional.

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It would just be for ONE race. Others can visit too - and people living there can visit other places.

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Your little racial Organization is just a dream far from happening =/

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I thought phenotype =/= race

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In that way - a 95% White that is pro-White is better than a 100% White that isn't.

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Hey Ngo, are you kidd rune?

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Hey Ngo, are you kidd rune? Why "Ngo"? It sounds uber-Vietnamese to me, you might wanna make another Novice account.  

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What if other whites don't care? Will you force them to care?

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You've identified the underlying fundamental problem enabling White extinction and preventing White preservation - the fact that Whites are overwhelmingly against the interests of their own race. For the most part they do not recognize this, as they don't know that they have racial group interests, or what they are.

The reasons are much like the reasons one suspects when an individual exhibits self-destructive behavior. It is not natural to be self-destructive, so why do they do it? The reason is usually traced to what is called bad or unhealthy influences. They were molded and shaped by these bad influences to become self-destructive, often without realizing that their behavior really is self-destructive.

The situation is much the same with my race. Perhaps 99% of the social, cultural, academic, media, religious and other influences in their environment are bad and unhealthy in a racial sense, instilling values and beliefs that are against the best interests of their racial group, even to the point of being destructive of their racial group. Until those bad influences can be replaced, or at least sufficiently countered, by good influences that support the interests, health and well-being of their racial group, we can expect this situation to continue to the point of White extinction.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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What if other whites don't care? Will you force them to care?

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I have to address this Jakelong.

You've identified the underlying fundamental problem enabling White extinction and preventing White preservation - the fact that Whites are overwhelmingly against the interests of their own race. For the most part they do not recognize this, as they don't know that they have racial group interests, or what they are.

The reasons are much like the reasons one suspects when an individual exhibits self-destructive behavior. It is not natural to be self-destructive, so why do they do it? The reason is usually traced to what is called bad or unhealthy influences. They were molded and shaped by these bad influences to become self-destructive, often without realizing that their behavior really is self-destructive.

The situation is much the same with my race. Perhaps 99% of the social, cultural, academic, media, religious and other influences in their environment are bad and unhealthy in a racial sense, instilling values and beliefs that are against the best interests of their racial group, even to the point of being destructive of their racial group. Until those bad influences can be replaced, or at least sufficiently countered, by good influences that support the interests, health and well-being of their racial group, we can expect this situation to continue to the point of White extinction.

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So your saying exposure to other cultures are bad for white people and that they should avoid it? Your saying that Minorities are this bad influence?

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People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

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Christianity

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Christianity was originally a jewish sect and belief. It was practice by jews and non-jews. The split between Christianity and Judaism only occured in 85 AD

It became more of a practice among Greeks, and Syrians after many many years. But overall Christians were not accepted among them. It took the decrees of the Emperor Constantine for the persecutions against Christians and for the faith to spread among the other Mediterranean people.Most Christians then were in the Middle East and Northern Africa.

It spread to the west over time but it sure was NOT an orginal West European thing.

Christianityonly came to England and Northern Europe LAST.

So no it's not uniquely WHITE culture at all.

Now more christians are non-whites than white. But that's the fault of whites themselves.

Anyway Christianity is going pretty strong thank you very much.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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So your saying exposure to other cultures are bad for white people and that they should avoid it?

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I'm all for going to OTHER COUNTRIES and experiencing other cultures.

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Your saying that Minorities are this bad influence?

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If they assimilated, it wouldn't be. Some of them do, and practice White culture - I KNOW this.

But many don't.

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Jesus was jewish....

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The Jews of that time DESPISED Jesus (If he really existed)

I'm not really a Christian but I found this piece:
http://white-history.com/hwr17a.htm" target="_top">http://http://white-history.com/hwr17a.htm

Also, if Jesus was the son of God how was he a Jew? Jews are born from Jewish mothers (That was a Jew back then) or religiously Jewish (And Jesus created his own religion).

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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So much of Christianity has changed by Whites that it's not really considered anything Jewish anyway.

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The Jews of that time DESPISED Jesus (If he really existed)

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I'm not really a Christian but I found this piece:

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Also, if Jesus was the son of God how was he a Jew? Jews are born from Jewish mothers

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QED

Post edited at 5:52 pm on Nov. 26, 2008 by jakelong

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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"All races have a right to existence "

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