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Did the master like them back?

The slave owners still exploited their work and became rich and powerful thanks to the free work of their slaves.

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Though you had to have money and quite a bit of it to have slaves in the first place.

And why wouldn't the master like them? They're working for him and he doesn't have to pay them money.

They like him because he feeds them, clothes them, and gives them shelter just for work in a field.

Not ALL were like that though - before you think I implied that.

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Thats the defenition of greed. Just now the big fat cats outsource the jobs to overseas so they can pay non americans $1 an hour for work that they can resell for $100.

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If everyone around you has slaves and puts out 10x more food - you are going to go out of business or find some nice workers.

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Why do you assume they will be extinct simply because there's less of them?

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS HAVE MORE BABIES.

No one prevents them from that.

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Again - there's more to White Nationalism than Whites in their own nation. The nation wouldn't be an exact replica of European nations and would strive for the smarter, stronger, healthier people to have more children and get payed for it.

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It takes no character for a minority student to receive scholarship? You think just being a given race gets you a scholarship automatic? You really think those scholarships aren't flooded with demands and award it to 1 guy out of a 1,000?

In roder to even get those scholarship you have to show you have worked hard in you community to make things around you better, you have volunteered for 10x more hours than anyone esle, worked in jobs, got into athletics and god knows what else. Even getting those scholarships is harder than getting the lottery.

Just one your eyes  and get the reality check instead of making lies to fit your view of the world.

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My teacher was the ONLY person that signed up for a Jewish scholarship - she wrote a paper on why she wanted it (She admitted it wasn't very good at all) and she got it.

She even LIED about being Jewish - she's a Black Christian!

Anyway - I'm going to sign up for a bunch of Black scholarships.

If they say I'm not Black I'll throw the race card with my new Black powers.

I will tell you if I get any money.

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Race is a concept. its not a living thing.

Gentics exists inside people. But race is just the grouping of people. It doesnt exist by itself.

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"The world exists" - given to us by Dictionary.com.

IS the world living Jakelong?
Race is SOMETHING. It's a grouping of people - and the Earth is a planet we live on.

They both exist - and they can both lose their existence.

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You are really desnse eh?

Genes are the building block.
Genetics is the STUDY of the genes,
Race is an arbitrary grouping of people

PEOPLE  are what's living. Not race.

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We explained why race exists - therefore it fits in the living category.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Not all of them came rich and powerful - many just had enough to sustain their families.

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They had slaves to work for them and can't even make ends meet?

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And why wouldn't the master like them? They're working for him and he doesn't have to pay them money.

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They like him because he feeds them, clothes them, and gives them shelter just for work in a field.

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Not ALL were like that though - before you think I implied that.

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It's not greed if you're trying to live.

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Slaves didn't have to make money - they just had to work.

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If everyone around you has slaves and puts out 10x more food - you are going to go out of business or find some nice workers.

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What about the ones that have kids with other races?

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That's doing more for your race than worrying about what other whites and nonwhites are doing.

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The nation wouldn't be an exact replica of European nations and would strive for the smarter, stronger, healthier people to have more children and get payed for it.

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Much of the scholarships will just hand you money for writing a damn essay because nobody cares about signing up.

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Only the one who STANDS OUT gets the scholarship.

But nice try talking about stuff you know shit about.

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My teacher was the ONLY person that signed up for a Jewish scholarship - she wrote a paper on why she wanted it (She admitted it wasn't very good at all) and she got it.

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She even LIED about being Jewish - she's a Black Christian!

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Oh wait thats right you are too hicken to write things like that.

Did you even write that letter to PBS? I bet not.

All you can do WhiNe as a good WNer.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Maybe because they were so full of fail.

They had slaves to work for them and can't even make ends meet?

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If they DIDN'T have slaves to work for them they would surely become impoverished.

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So he only likes them as slaves but not as anything else?

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HAHA NO! He has to feed them and clothe them becase if his precious investment dies off he's fucked. Thats it.

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When they were freed they WANTED to go back to their masters.

"I was raised by one of the greatest men in the world. There was never one born of a woman greater than Gen. Robert E. Lee, according to my judgment."
- Freed Slave William Mack Lee

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/wpa/durham1.html
""Freedom is all right, but de niggers was better off befo' surrender, kaze den dey was looked after an' dey didn' get in no trouble fightin' an' killin' like dey do dese days. If a nigger cut up an' got sassy in slavery times, his Ole Marse give him a good whippin' an' he went way back an' set down an' 'haved hese'f. If he was sick, Marse an' Mistis looked after him, an' if he needed store medicine, it was bought an' give to him; he didn' have to pay nothin'. Dey didn' even have to think 'bout clothes nor nothin' like dat, dey was wove an' made an' give to dem. Maybe everybody's Marse and Mistis wuzn' good as Marse George and Mis' Betsy, but dey was de same as a mammy an' pappy to us niggers." "

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Things are not 100% this or that anyway. So that doesn't prove much.

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If  whites pawn blacks so much how come they coulnd't live without them? and how come even WITH slaves they barely scraped a living?

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If a small town gets a WalMart and all it had beforehand was a private store - the private store, having a lot less to offer, looses business.

That's how it is.

If nobody had slaves it would've been the same.

But if some had them - they would've come out with more and the others would lose money and become impoverished.

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If their master starved they starved even more.

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Cotton =/= food

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The same goes for all though: Cotton, tobacco, etc.

The more you put out the better you'll be - and if you don't put out as much then you'll lose business and become poor.

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What about them? Why does that bother you? Worry about your own thing. You want more white babies then get whites to make 3-5 kids per family. Make laws to stop abortions and outlaw them.

That's doing more for your race than worrying about what other whites and nonwhites are doing.

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As I said - this would all go more smoothly and successfully in a White nation.

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Oh yeah the Nazi ideal...

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And 1 out of 1,000 or more gets selected. Besides the essay must describe what you have done for your group, what you have done for the community what your life has been and the struggles you went through. You have to speak about the volunteer work and the regular you have done. And yeah EVERYONE ELSE in that group has more or less done the same stuff and gone though the same shit.

Only the one who STANDS OUT gets the scholarship.

But nice try talking about stuff you know shit about.

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Not all scholarships are the exact same.

Some go by area - if you're the only Black in your area that signs up for it - you get it.

If 10 sign up - they choose one.

It all depends on the scholarship.

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And she's the only example ever.

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And she admitted that to you guys? Write to the people who gave her the scholarship and denounce her. She's a cheat and she should be punished.

Oh wait thats right you are too hicken to write things like that.

Did you even write that letter to PBS? I bet not.

All you can do WhiNe as a good WNer.

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Colleges should pick the most successful students - not try to even out the races like they try to.

And I emailed PBS and they never replied.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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They needed slaves because everyone else had them.

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If they DIDN'T have slaves to work for them they would surely become impoverished.

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He thinks that the only reason for them to be in the USA is as slaves.

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Many of the slaves loved their masters actually.

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Read this

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Yet we must never forget that these same "welfare capitalist" plantations in the Deep South were essentially ruled by terror. Even the most kindly and humane masters knew that only the threat of violence could force gangs of field hands to work from dawn to dusk "with the discipline," as one contemporary observer put it, "of a regular trained army." Frequent public floggings reminded every slave of the penalty for inefficient labor, disorderly conduct, or refusal to accept the authority of a superior.

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"I was raised by one of the greatest men in the world. There was never one born of a woman greater than Gen. Robert E. Lee, according to my judgment."
- Freed Slave William Mack Lee  

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Maybe everybody's Marse and Mistis wuzn' good as Marse George and Mis' Betsy, but dey was de same as a mammy an' pappy to us niggers."

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Of course - there are always a few people on the other side - but most people are usually on one side.

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2. They have to have slaves because everyone else did. It's simple.

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If nobody had slaves it would've been the same.

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Read this

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 The majority of slaveholding was in the southern United States where most slaves were engaged in an efficient machine-like gang system of agriculture. According to the 1860 U.S. census, nearly four million slaves were held in a total population of just over 12 million in the 15 states in which slavery was legal.

Of all 1,515,605 families in the 15 slave states, 393,967 held slaves (roughly one in four),[6] amounting to 8% of all American families .[7] Most slaveholding households, however, had only a few slaves. The majority of slaves were held by planters, defined by historians as those who held 20 or more slaves.

The planters achieved wealth and social and political power. Ninety-five percent of black people lived in the South, comprising one-third of the population there, as opposed to 2% of the population of the North

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Those planters were the greedy rich folks.

Those who just a had a few slaves were small farmers and had them mostly as servants and household ppl. THOSE were the slaves who became more attaached to their master s and treated better. but they were the MINORITY.

The MAJORITY of slaves belonged to large plantations that treated them like shit and raped the women and took their kids and sold the kids like cattle.

Thats how your ancestor got rich by selling slaves to those planters. Nothing to be proud about if you ask me.

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But if some had them - they would've come out with more and the others would lose money and become impoverished.

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All they picked was cotton?
That's it?

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If a small town gets a WalMart and all it had beforehand was a private store - the private store, having a lot less to offer, looses business.

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It brings in cheap goods from China and low paying jobs but it kills the local economy and kills the competition from good local store owners.  

So yeah slavery and wal-mart are about as bad. Greed is the big motivation for both really.  

Good example that confirms my point.

Post edited at 6:12 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 by jakelong

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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LOL sounds like the typical I need an SUV because everone else has them.

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Because they are so full of fail. Most Native Americans did not need slaves to survive before the europeans came. .

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And he represents "everyone"?

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It's like saying everyone in Japan is East-Asian, and people wouldn't beg to differ. Only 0.6% of the population is - and that's not really enough to stagger the idea.

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How many? Some did. Many did not.  

Read this

Well yeah Robert E Lee was a great general and a great man. Doesn't take much to see that. It doesn't mean he wanted to stay his slave. And you can't say that of all those slave owners that wanted to get rich on cotton.

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So you are not proving much still.

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Although your ancestor did more than just owning. He SOLD slaves.

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It was his job - an accepted practice back then but not now.

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Then why bring them in at all? Who started that idea? The simple fact was that really FEW families owned slaves. Most slaves were grouped in working gangs

Read this

Those planters were the greedy rich folks.

Those who just a had a few slaves were small farmers and had them mostly as servants and household ppl. THOSE were the slaves who became more attaached to their master s and treated better. but they were the MINORITY.

The MAJORITY of slaves belonged to large plantations that treated them like shit and raped the women and took their kids and sold the kids like cattle.

Thats how your ancestor got rich by selling slaves to those planters. Nothing to be proud about if you ask me.

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Second off - The vast majority of American Whites didn't have slaves, couldn't afford them, and/or didn't want them.

Third off - It said right there, the small farms didn't have slaves like the large plantations.

The large plantation owners wanted money for their families or whatever else and the slaves were the right path to that.

Of course they achieved wealth - just like the owner of Walmart and his family.

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Bullshit. Read the info above. It kills that theory.

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Therefore, it doesn't even touch up on disproving my "Theory" or really have anything to do with it.

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Tobacco =/= food

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Actually most wal-marts are a double edge sword for a community.  

It brings in cheap goods from China and low paying jobs but it kills the local economy and kills the competition from good local store owners.  

So yeah slavery and wal-mart are about as bad. Greed is the big motivation for both really.  

Good example that confirms my point.

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Greed, greed, greed - is that everything to you?

Someone that wants to make money is greedy?

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Not all scholarships are the exact same.

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Oh, really!

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1. I didn't whine. I don't care about the scholarship - I actually think these minority or specific race scholarships SHOULD NOT EXIST.

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There are plenty of scholarship for Christians, for Muslims for Jehovah Witness you name it.

There are plenty of scholarships for Irish ppl, Scottish ppl, Italians, Germans etc...

Overall theres a million scholarships just for whites.

http://tinyurl.com/yf98my

And here's one to make you happy
http://www.discriminations.us/2006/11/a_white_scholarship_in_boston.html

And here is more info on those scholarships

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First, although white students often think that so-called minority scholarships are a substantial drain on financial aid resources that would otherwise be available to them, nothing could be further from the truth. According to a national study by the General Accounting Office, less than four percent of scholarship money in the U.S. is represented by awards that consider race as a factor at all, while only 0.25 percent (that's one quarter of one percent for the math challenged) of all undergrad scholarship dollars come from awards that are restricted to persons of color alone.

In other words, whites are fully capable of competing for and receiving any of the other monies--roughly 99.75 percent of all the bucks out there for college.

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http://www.civilrights.org/library/features/op-ed-white-victimhood-1.html

But hey maybe they are too full of fail to bother.

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And I emailed PBS and they never replied.

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To get them to listen to you need to WRITE a formal letter. Get your parents to help you. Send a copy of the letter to EACH LOCAL PBS station in YOUR area not the general pbs org.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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No they're not. But you used them to"prove" that race > character and your example failed.

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I found a great example and just because it's not the same for ALL of them doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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I am asking you. Is she the rule or the excpetion?

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The funny thing is I agree but most scholarships are about ethnicity and religion.

There are plenty of scholarship for Christians, for Muslims for Jehovah Witness you name it.

There are plenty of scholarships for Irish ppl, Scottish ppl, Italians, Germans etc...

Overall theres a million scholarships just for whites.

http://tinyurl.com/yf98my

And here's one to make you happy
http://www.discriminations.us/2006/11/a_white_scholarship_in_boston.html

And here is more info on those scholarships

http://www.civilrights.org/library/features/op-ed-white-victimhood-1.html

But hey maybe they are too full of fail to bother.

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All scholarships that have anything to do with something that isn't helpful for college (such as genetic makeup or what country your parents are from) are fail.

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Emails dont usually work for that kind of stuff unless you get 1,000s of your friends to flood them with emails. Even then those sites usually don't respond.

To get them to listen to you need to WRITE a formal letter. Get your parents to help you. Send a copy of the letter to EACH LOCAL PBS station in YOUR area not the general pbs org.

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I'll print it out and send it - how much do you want to bet they won't give a shit?

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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All scholarships that have anything to do with something that isn't helpful for college (such as genetic makeup or what country your parents are from) are fail.

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Good then we agree here.

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I emailed the specific stations emails.

I'll print it out and send it - how much do you want to bet they won't give a shit?

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Could you PM me an example so I can see what you wrote?

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You don't understand the concept of competition?

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The Amerinds had slaves!

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when I said "Everyone" I meant the vast majority of people

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and that anyone that didn't was such a small amount that they were almost impossible to discern from the general population.

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The thought that all slave owners were great men is absurd! But to say that all were evil to their slaves is as bad too.

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What do you think I'm trying to prove?

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It was a job

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- and he wasn't really the man in charge - he just took them to the Americas and worked on the boat - but helped them sell them of course.

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But he thought their were "not human" right? So he could wash his hands off that. Yep just what I thought.

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The MAJORITY of slaves belonged to large plantations that treated them like shit and raped the women and took their kids and sold the kids like cattle.

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First off - he sold slaves, it wasn't his fault what the masters did to them.

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How do you know he got rich? I doubt he did.

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Second off - The vast majority of American Whites didn't have slaves, couldn't afford them, and/or didn't want them.

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That slavery was NEEDED for ppl to survive and make a living,

Were all whites who had no slaves poor in the south?

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The large plantation owners wanted money for their families or whatever else and the slaves were the right path to that.

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And why the RIGHT path?

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Of course they achieved wealth - just like the owner of Walmart and his family.

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It doesn't say anything about business and the affects on the non-slaveholding population.

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Slavery made EVERYONE suffer: blacks AS WELL poor whites.

It committed a grave injustivce to BOTH black and other whites.

When whites from the south start realizing this maybe there will be more understanding across the board.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

maybe you 2 need to start your own forum on this topic.

damn - the 2 of you are just up in arms over this issue.

NOT A BAD THING, just i am going, " jesus - will these 2 ever stop arguing"??

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[If you don't like me, too bad]
"The amount of fail on THEFORUM.COM is reaching epic proportions." - hughnon

He's got some sort of homo obsession on me I bet.

But if you want to say something not one stopping you man.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP