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Then what is it about?

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The 2nd quote only follows the 1st.

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I just looked at some of your posts and noticed that you don't actually ever say your stance. What is it then?

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I want White, Black, Amerind, Mongol, etc to EXIST forever (Or as long as our species does).

I don't want them to die out mixing.

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Or do you only dispel wisdom on where others went wrong, but don't settle on a view?

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Your retorts sound racist, but technically are not quite, so do you actually have a view, or do you just argue against everything?

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And I have my stance - just ask me a "Do you believe..." question or something like that to get it.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Preservation of race. Preservation of something to love, cherish, and remember. I want the races to stay alive.  don't want them to die out mixing.

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That's what I meant by "racial purity". What did you think I meant, is it a term for something else on this topic? My question is, what's the point of it? How can you just say this as if it is an end in itself? What exactly about races do you want to preserve?  

CULTURE: In the current world, people cherish different cultures that originate from different races, and racial mixes tend to embrace characteristics of both races.  

GENETICS: I doubt you can find specific "White genes", even the skin color is only a pigmentation gradiant.  

NOTION OF LINEAGE: People carry whatever lineage they were from, why would it be important to make sure that it continues down the same path? And resist the forces of globalisation and multiculturalism that is happening in the world? How are you doing any good by pointing your lineage in a straight line, when it could diverge?  

Only if White lineages are superior?

Post edited at 6:37 pm on Nov. 25, 2008 by tell me again

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That's what I meant by "racial purity". What did you think I meant, is it a term for something else on this topic?

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My question is, what's the point of it? How can you just say this as if it is an end in itself? What exactly about races do you want to preserve?

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I will quote McCulloch - one of my favorite racial preservationists:
"To say something matters is to say that it is important and has value. To say something does not matter is to say it is of no importance or value. To say something is the only thing that matters is to say that all else is without importance or value. I act on the presumption that everything that exits -- every part of Creation -- matters, that it has importance and value, and that it is both improper and nihilistic to presume otherwise. This importance and value can be regarded as objective, based on its position and role in Creation, or subjective, based on the sentiments of those who love it, by which standard anything that matters or is important to anyone, that is loved or valued by anyone, is regarded as valuable and important."

Race needs to be preserved because it's something beautiful and everyone - my children, their children, their childrens children, etc. should see it.

What about them do I want preserved? Their genetics, culture, history, etc.

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In the current world, people cherish different cultures that originate from different races, and racial mixes tend to embrace characteristics of both races.

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This happened in my area.

And, if that is the ONLY place the culture exists - it will be destroyed.

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I doubt you can find specific "White genes", even the skin color is only a pigmentation gradiant.

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When you have all (or almost all) of those genetics being from White populations - you are White.

Haplogroups can be traced to race and geography.

Y-chromosome and mtDNA can trace your mothers' mothers' mothers' and fathers' fathers' father etc. race and location.

If enough study goes into other genes and chromosomes - the same can be said for all of our genome (Yet that would take a while).

The Ainu people are extinct. They have genetically tested many of the Ainu and they have failed to find one without Mongoloid mixture somewhere in the lineage.

The history of a peoples is now incomplete because of this. We'll never know where they came from, who their ancestors are, and many other things.

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People carry whatever lineage they were from, why would it be important to make sure that it continues down the same path?

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And resist the forces of globalisation and multiculturalism that is happening in the world?

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Look at your ancestors - the USA is not the epitome of Amerind culture.

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How are you doing any good by pointing your lineage in a straight line, when it could diverge?  

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If I mix with a nonWhite - my children will not be White.
That is one less White that could have existed. It's destruction of race.

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Only if White lineages are superior?

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I'm not. Nothing I believe is fueled by supremacy either.

You don't have to bring it up again...


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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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I can understand if it's an arbitrary preference. But if it's not about supremacy, then why is it such a big deal? Why does it even exist as a principle?

Or is it always supremist, fundamentally?

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because the kkk once thought (back in the 60's and so on) that the only thing that blacks was good for was pork.

Post edited at 7:58 pm on Nov. 25, 2008 by SAMMYJS99

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because the kkk once thought (back in the 60's and so on) that the only thing that blacks was good for was pork.

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because the kkk once thought (back in the 60's and so on) that the only thing that blacks was good for was pork.

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1. Proof
2. They ate Blacks?

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THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT.

jesus - why do people think inside the box???

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"The amount of fail on THEFORUM.COM is reaching epic proportions." - hughnon

I think you're portraying race to be a concrete thing that can be "destroyed". But I think it is just an empty concept that is out of date and needs to move with the times. That's just my statement so that we don't get lost. Specific points below:

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Racial purity is keeping a race 100% that race.

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This makes it even more arbitrary. For you it doesn't have to be 100%, so where would you draw the line? This is why I think it's just a mental line you've drawn when it's all arbitrary.

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"To say something matters is to say that it is important and has value."

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I agree that race has value. But my point is that racial values evolve and change over time. And in a time where races interact with one another, it's inevitable that values change. Cultures merge, co-exist, or are re-created. It's not concrete. And to say that you're trying to preserve a certain set of values (whatever is that anyway?) is just trying to stuff culture into a box. Cultures/genes change over time by themselves anyway, what makes it any worse if it changes due to interaction and engagement with a different group? Groups are arbitrary (as  seen in multicultural examples)

That's my point about how people cherish different cultures. White culture (whatever that is) will survive as long as people cherish it, whoever they are. And it will survive and evolve like any value in the world. What exactly is a White value? One that has predominantly existed amongst White people? That's a circular argument there. Whatever it is, can exist with or without racial co-interaction.

You argued against that with:

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In many places - a race that massively immigrates will overtake the current culture and replace it with their own. This happened in my area.

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No one replaced you. You the individual and what you value. Anyone will bring with them whatever they represent. If it is 10% Black, it will have around 10% Black culture. If it's 80% Black, it will have 80% Black culture and you might feel "Bleah, I like my own kind. I wanna see more of US, and less of THEM. I will move away to be with people like me". This is understandable, but it still doesn't mean that any culture is threatened. It just means that you don't like a different culture and want to make no effort to engage with it (no moral judgment intended).

White Genes - Yes I agree that they can be traced back. It's a circular argument to me though, it sounds like "White genes are genes that followed this line, therefore they should be kept". WHY? What's valuable about it? Is there anything unique about any gene of any race that is based on any merit other than the fact that it belongs to that race (obviously)?

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The Ainu people are extinct.

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So what? Ainu ancestors died, and their offspring survived to pass on whatever genes they carried.

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So it continues to exist.

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The entire argument centres around this statement. This is your stance by definition. But it doesn't make sense to me. Because the thing that "continues to exist" is a CONCEPT, there's nothing consistent about it to preserve. It changes with or without other races. But you resist the changes made by other races as being illegitimate.

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Multiculturalism is destructive to culture. Why do you want that?

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That statement is again your stance by definition, but contains nothing. Multiculturalism just means "multiple cultures", that sounds very neutral to me. Not destructive at all.

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How are you doing any good destroying the individuality of your child? What good are you doing destroying your race, history, and ancestors.

If I mix with a nonWhite - my children will not be White.
That is one less White that could have existed. It's destruction of race.

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Again coming back to this vague idea of "destroying a race". What composes a race is arbitrary and based on history. History is changing to a time where different groups interact. They will mix. Why fight it?

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This makes it even more arbitrary. For you it doesn't have to be 100%, so where would you draw the line? This is why I think it's just a mental line you've drawn when it's all arbitrary.

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But, in my quest for a White Nation - a White would be: Looks White, acts White, Fights White.

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I agree that race has value. But my point is that racial values evolve and change over time. And in a time where races interact with one another, it's inevitable that values change. Cultures merge, co-exist, or are re-created. It's not concrete. And to say that you're trying to preserve a certain set of values (whatever is that anyway?) is just trying to stuff culture into a box. Cultures/genes change over time by themselves anyway, what makes it any worse if it changes due to interaction and engagement with a different group? Groups are arbitrary (as  seen in multicultural examples)

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A race isolated and evolving is change.

A race being mixed is destruction.

A culture changing due to environment and its neighbors is change.

A culture being taken over and oppressed is destruction.

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That's my point about how people cherish different cultures. White culture (whatever that is) will survive as long as people cherish it, whoever they are. And it will survive and evolve like any value in the world. What exactly is a White value? One that has predominantly existed amongst White people? That's a circular argument there. Whatever it is, can exist with or without racial co-interaction.

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There's nothing wrong with cherishing other cultures.

I want to see Japanese culture one day - but I'll GO TO JAPAN to do it.

Cultures have their lands.

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No one replaced you. You the individual and what you value. Anyone will bring with them whatever they represent. If it is 10% Black, it will have around 10% Black culture. If it's 80% Black, it will have 80% Black culture and you might feel "Bleah, I like my own kind. I wanna see more of US, and less of THEM. I will move away to be with people like me". This is understandable, but it still doesn't mean that any culture is threatened. It just means that you don't like a different culture and want to make no effort to engage with it (no moral judgment intended).

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And, no it's not proportional.

A 10% Black area would have less than a 10% Black culture - and an 80% Black area would have MORE than an 80% Black culture.

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White Genes - Yes I agree that they can be traced back. It's a circular argument to me though, it sounds like "White genes are genes that followed this line, therefore they should be kept". WHY? What's valuable about it? Is there anything unique about any gene of any race that is based on any merit other than the fact that it belongs to that race (obviously)?

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Simply - I love my race and want its continued existence.

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So what? Ainu ancestors died, and their offspring survived to pass on whatever genes they carried.

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It's sad in my opinion.

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It changes with or without other races. But you resist the changes made by other races as being illegitimate.

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That statement is again your stance by definition, but contains nothing. Multiculturalism just means "multiple cultures", that sounds very neutral to me. Not destructive at all.

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In theory - cultures live together. This can world in EARTH - but not a closed environment.

In reality - cultures are dominated and others come out on top - destroying aspects of other cultures and mixing them up.

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Again coming back to this vague idea of "destroying a race". What composes a race is arbitrary and based on history.

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History is changing to a time where different groups interact. They will mix. Why fight it?

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You're one of those "It's our destiny to mix and come together! It's for a better world!"

Destiny is determined by US. It is OUR choice. WE are responsible for it.

This is another way to portray the White race as inevitable, something beyond OUR control or power, and evading the responsibility of our own actions and choices which are the TRUE determining force of nature.

Why is one mixed race better for the world than the many distinct races that now exist and have existed on this world for tens of thousands of years?

Would the world be better without distinct races? Would the world be better off if Whites didn't exist distinctively?

Is not the planet big enough for all of its children, a house of many mansions?

It has been for tens of thousands of years. Why should we change this?

WE choose the continued existence of our races or blending into one race.

In actual practice rather than theory, for the foreseeable future this is really a choice between the continued existence of Whites in their homelands or its replacement by a hybridized African-Asian-European population in which the European element will be genetically submerged (And effectively extinct) while other races will continue to exist in their homelands.

Why fight it?

Because I fight for what's right.

All races have a right to existence - and Whites are no exception.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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I saw that if everyone went back to heir originated countries, everything would be messed up. Besides it wouldn't make sense to just have races categorized by continent. So that means I can't visit the other continents or how would you organize that kidd?

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And there will be countries for people that don't want to live in an all-White or all-Black or all-Asian etc. nation.

And WHY would it be messed up?

In history, nations/civilizations used to be one race.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

If you can't find a salient example, it is because White culture wasn't developed in complete isolation. Here's a more salient example: Middle Eastern females need to be more submissive than their male counterparts. Tell me how that cultural value can be destroyed. If you feel funny about using such an example, you don't have to, your racism isn't in question here.  

But if you don't have an example at all then it shows that your idea of race is an empty concept that has nothing substantial at risk of being destroyed.  

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But, in my quest for a White Nation - a White would be: Looks White, acts White, Fights White.  

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What does that mean? You never actually say what White is. The reason I ask you to define (and to challenge you to find an example) is because of a principle in multiculturalism - that values are shared across races, and nothing is "owned" by a certain race. Anything that is "White", can also be found in another race, even if it's not the dominant thing in that race.  

The only reason it's not dominant is because of history, a history that is changing as time goes by. There's no inherent value about a race that makes them different. That's what I'm saying. Therefore, there is nothing to preserve.  

I realise that you say something different below, I'll get to that.  

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There's a fine line between CHANGE and DESTRUCTION.  

A race isolated and evolving is change.  

A race being mixed is destruction.  

A culture changing due to environment and its neighbors is change.  

A culture being taken over and oppressed is destruction.  

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No, i don't see the "fine distinction". Different races are now becoming each other's neighbours and environments, which is evolving. Why is "isolation" important? It was only the case because aeroplanes didn't exist and international trade was rare. People were segregated. They are no longer segregated.  

Please explain this instead of rhetoric. Dramatic lines emphasise how you feel but don't say why. And all it means to me is "I like my racial history, I want it to continue in the same way no matter what"

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When Whites die out and become minorities - their culture falls with it.

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They will always continue through whatever mix happens. How does mix kill culture? It looks like a form of change to me. By implying that only unmixed forms count, then you are deliberately excluding everything else on your personal values, not any racial values. You are de-valuing everybody who is not pure. And at an arbitrary percentage/level of "purity" at that.  

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Cultures have their lands.  

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Historically yes. Only because there were no aeroplanes, international trade, or the Internet.

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Many times the children are born into a place as a minority culture - they have more of that culture influencing them because THAT is the culture of their area and their parents aren't the only influence on them.  

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If an American goes to Japan, is he less American for going there? Does he restore Americanness when he returns?

I think people embody values.  Minority cultures have their own flavour, so do subcultures and mixed-cultures. A Black minority culture in America has its own thing, different from a predominantly Black country. And White kids who are in that environment have their own thing, that is not defined by Black or White culture strictly. Why won't you allow people to form their own values, and have those values be valid? Why is it inferior just because it's not "pure"?  

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Simply - I love my race and want its continued existence.  

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Great, but that's not a principle. It's a preference to continue your way, Like teaching your kid to play chess, or choosing to send them to private school. whatever that is. It's based on your personal preferences, not some racial essence.  

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Races aren't really evolving any more. We're no longer in small bands of people - Whites are diverse enough to stay - what we would consider White - for thousands of years.  

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Races evolve all the time, which is why there is no stable identity. It's only relatively stable now because people have been segregated in history. Whites are diverse enough to survive without more genetic variation, yes probably. But it's not about natural selection here (though varied genes => genetic robustness) But on a cultural sense, evolution/changes happen no matter what.  

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In reality - cultures are dominated and others come out on top - destroying aspects of other cultures and mixing them up.  

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This is part of changing and mixing. Unpopular values will die, new values developed. You still don't have a reason that mixing is bad or destructive other than that you find it sad. Well, many people don't. It's a nostalgic thing, it's not like certain values don't die over time in isolation. Therefore - no difference.  

I am aware that there is a lot of misleading and fluffy "multiculturalism" propaganda. But that's not the point.  

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Race is more than history - it's very real, genetically and culturally.

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Of course it is. Which is why it needs to evolve with an increasingly globalised world. The ideal of preserving certain things that aren't realistic belong in the past.  

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You're one of those "It's our destiny to mix and come together! It's for a better world!"

Destiny is determined by US. It is OUR choice. WE are responsible for it.  

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Yeah, and US choice is heading towards multiculturalism. So is global choice. I'm not saying it's for a better world. I'm only saying that it is not for a worse world. All the "bad" you identify is because you find it sad, a value not enough people share.  

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It has been for tens of thousands of years.  

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Because of history.

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Why should we change this?  

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No one decided to change this. It's a product of everything else: technology, globalisation, changing markets

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Because I fight for what's right.  

All races have a right to existence - and Whites are no exception.

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The reality is a nation can't exist in complete isolation and still participate in world affairs and world trade, and be politically functional.

Post edited at 10:52 pm on Nov. 25, 2008 by tell me again

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Quote: from Moonscar at 1:31 am on Nov. 26, 2008

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I saw that if everyone went back to heir originated countries, everything would be messed up. Besides it wouldn't make sense to just have races categorized by continent. So that means I can't visit the other continents or how would you organize that kidd?

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You can visit other continents!

And there will be countries for people that don't want to live in an all-White or all-Black or all-Asian etc. nation.

And WHY would it be messed up?

In history, nations/civilizations used to be one race.

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Now a days it's different and in this day and age it is too late for you to organize things. If people want more opportunities in other places they deserve to become a citizen in a new area. Your little racial Organization is just a dream far from happening =/

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People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

WN: i feel sad about how america used to be

non-WN: yeah everythings more international now

WN: that's not right, things should stay the same.  

non-WN: oh? i dont mind

WN: dammit im right! why arent you with me for fighting for whats right?  

non-WN: new interesting things emerge though, and the current state of affairs kind of needs racial interaction

WN: no, everything should stay the same! and people should make an effort to ensure this happens by resisting the whole world's tendencies  

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I intended to simply, not insult you. I'm off to bed now though.

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Btw look at China's isolation policy and where it ended up. It's a bit off topic, but just shows how unrealistic they are

Post edited at 11:07 pm on Nov. 25, 2008 by tell me again

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People have an innate fear of things that are different?

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Do you believe that racial mixing is 'different'? It's been happening for god knows how long.. since the meeting of cultures I'd suppose.

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Quote: from greatescape11 at 5:47 pm on Nov. 25, 2008

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People have an innate fear of things that are different?

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That's not enough for a principle though (obviously). Lol so I wanted to hear from kidd rune without filtering through all of that "u r racist" "stfu dumbass" and quote pyramids in the other threads.  

 

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Retaining one's bloodline along with their culture, not unlike the Jews', who I am sure Kidd Rune loves.