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Holocaust Deniers.
Replies: 152Last Post Dec. 22, 2008 8:59pm by kidd rune
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How can you explain away Goebles, who described the execution process, described the use of gas chambers, as one of the Furher's closest men, I doubt he was lying.

What about the eyewitnes accounts of Franz Suchomel, letting us know how people fell out of the gas chambers like 'potatoes'? How they were shot or gassed or both at Auschwitz every day?

More than just on the jews, we know the gas chambers existed at Auschwitz. We know it because they used them to execute POWs.


Those who were propped against the door leant with a curious stiffness and then fell right at our feet, striking their faces hard against the concrete floor. Corpses! Corpses standing bolt upright and filling the entire corridor of the bunker, till they were packed so tight that it was impossible for more to fall.

(describing 850 recently gassed Russian POWs).

Himmler:


I refer now to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. This is one of those things that is easily said: "the Jewish people are being exterminated," says every Party member, "quite true, it's part of our plans, the elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it."

Or an official Nazi court case:


The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry himself.

???

I can't post the pictures on livewire, they're too graphic, but they certainly do exist, the Nazi's were very fond of taking photographs of their atrocities,

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How can you explain away Goebles, who described the execution process, described the use of gas chambers, as one of the Furher's closest men, I doubt he was lying.He was forced to say it maybe?

And link to source of him saying this too.

What about the eyewitnes accounts of Franz Suchomel, letting us know how people fell out of the gas chambers like 'potatoes'? How they were shot or gassed or both at Auschwitz every day? Oh, Mr. Franz Suchomel!

Let me tell you a little about him.

Here's what he said in the movie Shoah:
In the "Funnel", the women had to wait.
They heard the motors of the gas chambers.
As they waited, the anguish of death overwhelmed them.
Anguish of death makes people let go.
They empty themselves, form the front of the rear.
So often, where the women stood, there were 5 or 6 rows of excrement"

Interviewer: [signaling something falling]"They stood?"


Suchomel:"The could squat or do it standing.
I didn't see them do it.
I only saw the feces."

Defication when scared has happened.
But, it WOULD NOT happen in mass like that - 5 or 6 rows.
That's absurd!

This is the background:
In the 1970s Claude Landsman payed Suchomel 1800$ to do this interview - a lot of money back then. Especially to Suchomel who lost wages by being sentenced to 7 years of jail for BEING at Treblinka.

Lanzmann "Secretly" videotaped him during the interview - though it seems you can see him glance at the camera.

He works within the story. This is similar to witchcraft trial, when the people were accused of having [met] the devil, they wouldn't say, 'Your Honour, the best proof that I have not met the devil is that the devil does not exist'; it would have been the end. No. The tactic was to say, 'Oh, yes, the devil was there on the top of the hill. Myself, I was down [at the bottom]...and in Auschwitz it's exactly the same thing." The accused would admit the existence of the gas chambers, but deny their involvement with them.

He uses his absurd story - yet merges it with medical "Proof" to make it believable.

STOOGE!

More than just on the jews, we know the gas chambers existed at Auschwitz. We know it because they used them to execute POWs.

Those who were propped against the door leant with a curious stiffness and then fell right at our feet, striking their faces hard against the concrete floor. Corpses! Corpses standing bolt upright and filling the entire corridor of the bunker, till they were packed so tight that it was impossible for more to fall.

(describing 850 recently gassed Russian POWs). Source?

Himmler:
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Interesting you should bring up that speech made by Heinrich Himmler, the word he used there was "Ausrottung". Today it is widely acceptable that the word only means "liquidation, physical extermination" where as it didn't quite mean that back then.

"Ausrottung" - to Uproot

Uproot

v 1: move (people) forcibly from their homeland into a new and foreign environment; "The war uprooted many people" [syn: displace, deracinate] 2: destroy completely, as if down to the roots; "the vestiges of political democracy were soon uprooted" [syn: eradicate, extirpate, exterminate] 3: pull up by or as if by the roots; "uproot the vine that has spread all over the garden" [syn: extirpate, deracinate, root out]

I find it remarkably funny that out of all the possible definitions of the word modern people only use the term "extermination", that way they have "so-called proof" that Hitler intended to completely wipe the Jews of the face of the planet.

In Mein Kampf Hitler stated: "that Germanness was threatened with "Ausrottung" under the Habsburg Monarchy". He certainly didn't mean that the old Kaiser Franz Josef had any plans to drive ten million German-Austrians into gas chambers; rather, that they were exposed to the danger of losing their power and influence to the Slavs.

The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry himself.Source? Who said it? Etc.

I can't post the pictures on livewire, they're too graphic, but they certainly do exist, the Nazi's were very fond of taking photographs of their atrocities, PM me the link to them.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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I will gladly pm you links to several graphic images tomorrow, for now I'm dealing with the livewire election.

It's sad that according to you, countless consistent testimonies from both sides, visual evidence that I'm sure you've already seen, thousands of pages of documentation of the holocaust made by the Nazi's are all unconvincing and even conspiracies to make the Nazi look bad.

Do you speak German? I bet there are German speaking people on here, and I could link them to the Himmler's audiotape, and they could tell us what he means, rather than you're copypasta from your revisionist websites.

You didn't address Hitler's own words, by the way.

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I will gladly pm you links to several graphic images tomorrow, for now I'm dealing with the livewire election.
Alright - but save the piles of bodies, they don't prove anything.

And explain exactly what the pictures are and what camp if you can.



It's sad that according to you, countless consistent testimonies from both sides,
Have you heard all of the testimonies?

Surely if you heard a few that many of them would be outright false.

Head Nazis claim that they kept records of over 5 million Jews they killed (now nobody believes that large number) - and other insane stories that they used to prove to the historians that they were forced to say it.
Many of them "Committed suicide" in prison shortly after.


And if you believe everything the Jews say about their "Treatment" please think again. I've heard people claim they survived more than 10 "Death camps" themselves.


visual evidence that I'm sure you've already seen
Nothing I've seen has proven a mass extermination of six million people or mass gassings.


thousands of pages of documentation of the holocaust made by the Nazi's are all unconvincing and even conspiracies to make the Nazi look bad.
I've heard some made by the Nazis and they seem quite far from the truth - and most were killed or put in jail for a long time, especially the "Mass murderer" ones.


Do you speak German? I bet there are German speaking people on here, and I could link them to the Himmler's audiotape, and they could tell us what he means, rather than you're copypasta from your revisionist websites.
I can understand it written quite well but the German accent (Especially the older one with bad sound) is quite confusing to me.


You didn't address Hitler's own words, by the way.
Which ones?

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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"Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?"
(Adolf Hitler, cited in Joachim Fest's 1975 "Hitler")

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Quote: from medjai at 8:06 pm on Dec. 2, 2008

"Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?"
(Adolf Hitler, cited in Joachim Fest's 1975 "Hitler")


I did reply to it!


Fest was brought up as anti-Hitler and anti-National Socialist.

The first time this quote was (supposedly) surfaced was in the Trials of War Criminals.

Then in the book you have it is cited DIRECTLY FROM those trials.

And the trials aren't the best source, really - many people were forced to "Confess" to things that aren't even believed today.


Post edited at 5:11 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 by kidd rune

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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Ah, my bad, you did respond. With more conjecture but at least it's a response.

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I think we should round up the Holocaust deniers and gas them to death.

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how could people be so iggnorant and stupid. it happened no way you can change it

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I think we should round up the Holocaust deniers and gas them to death.  
Good for you.


how could people be so iggnorant and stupid. it happened no way you can change it  
You're like the Frenchmen!

"We know that it[The holocaust] could have happened because it did happen"

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:35 pm on Dec. 3, 2008


I think we should round up the Holocaust deniers and gas them to death.
Good for you.


how could people be so iggnorant and stupid. it happened no way you can change it
You're like the Frenchmen!

"We know that it[The holocaust] could have happened because it did happen"


Um thats kinda of my point and no im not french


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Um thats kinda of my point and no im not french
Kindly PROVE that it happened.

EDIT: and this is the quote by the Frenchmen:


One should not ask how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened.

It was an absurd declaration by "34 reputable historians" published in the prominent French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

Post edited at 5:35 pm on Dec. 3, 2008 by kidd rune

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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All of your reasoning is conjecture though. Rune.

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All of your reasoning is conjecture though. Rune.
And all of yours is unprovable, incorrect quoting, and lies.

Remember - it is YOUR job to prove it.

Now find me undeniable proof of one person that was gassed to death.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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Quote: from Heridatary at 12:18 pm on Nov. 29, 2008

How can you deny the Holocaust when the events that led to it were obvious?

I have heard deniers say there was no proof.

All I can say is are you kidding me?

Hitler did not Like the Jewish, he turned Germany vastly Anti Semitical, what does an Anti Semitical state do?

You know possibly like, Exterminate the Jews?


fools may even deny the World war.

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