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You know for a fact because?

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A fair question but every government has its own rules. In case you wonder the Polish government is NOT jewish. Although many in Poland DID suffer from the Holocaust Jewish or not.

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The questions he asked, the fake answers, the conflicting answers, and the bullshit.

It was quite amusing - and visiting the camps doesn't make people "Believe."

He put the video online (I can get it for you if you want to watch it) and afterward a "Hit" was put on him. A reward for information on his whereabouts was issued by Irv Rubin (who years later, was arrested by the FBI for planning to kill a Lebanese-American Congressman.)

He feared assassination and went into hiding - and hasn't surfaced publicly since.

And we all know Billy Fischer, the self-hating Jewish holocaust "Denier."

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Denying was LEGAL from 1945 to the 1990s. The deniers had 45 fucking years to prove all the denials they wanted. In Poland it was legal up to 1998.

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Revision of the Holocaust was a life-killer.

People DID revise the Holocaust and claim it as fake - and they were called anti-Semitic and it didn't go well for them at all.

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The website adressed why they did a fucked up job.

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They just ignore those revisionists?

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Funny how IHR is also a well-known denial website.

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Does NOT explain the need of gastight doors.

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The Rudolf Report
5.4.1.2.3

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Why did they find bodies and skeleton in the "rubbish incinerators"? And why do we need exhaust gases in a shower?

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What was odd?
All you are showing are pictures out of context.  

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The countries doing this are

Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, and Switzerland.  

What is the present Jewish population in Germany, Austria Czech republic, Belgium Luxembourg?

Here is the answer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

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Why should you be FORCED to believe something?

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Do you think it is
1. A jewish conspiracy?
2. All the leaders in those countries are Jewish
3. A jew-lover fest in Europe?  
4. Maybe those guys are getting sick and tired of the deniers going on and on about it because they had to endure it for 50 years?

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BTW funny I had no idea you and Bud2400 are MSN buddies.  Are you also buddies with abs?

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It was proven as a fake...

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David Cole was a young Jewish holocaust revisionist.

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And we all know Billy Fischer, the self-hating Jewish holocaust "Denier."

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Being legal and accepted are two different things.

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People DID revise the Holocaust and claim it as fake - and they were called anti-Semitic and it didn't go well for them at all.

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What about Desjardin? Or Rudolf?

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It's called revisionism. They don't deny that Jews died under the Third Reich at all.

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This does:

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But I tripped on that tidbit

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One has to consider that a hypothetical homicidal 'gas chamber' door would have to open outwards-a door opening inwards would be blocked by inmate bodies lying in front of the door. Such doors would require an especially stable arrangement as the locks and hinges would have to be capable of resisting the pressure of hundreds of panicking people. The pressure exerted by such masses of people becomes apparent when one recalls the photographs of panicky spectators at football/soccer matches. Separating fences and partitions between individual spectator blocks are commonly trampled down like mere blades of grass in such situations. In any case, a simple wooden door, rendered provisionally gas-tight, as has been found in Auschwitz, a photograph of which is reproduced by Pressac in his book (see Fig. 33),[213] could never have resisted such pressure.

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Wait. "inmate bodies lying in front of the door"????
I thought it was a shower room? Why would inmates being "lying in front of the door"? Oh because they were being killed?

But this is what I really like

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The installation of a door with felt seals in crematorium II may have been temporarily considered either in connection with the temporarily considered expansion into a hygiene center or because it was desired to use the only solid reinforced concrete cellar in Birkenau camp as an air-raid shelter, as remarked by senior engineer Schreiber. This cellar was actually used as an air-raid shelter for inmates as suggested by a few eyewitness testimonies.[214] This would also explain other more minor 'traces' which cannot be discussed here. Samuel Crowell has shown in several articles the extent to which the SS actually built air-raid shelter installations not only for themselves but also for the camp inmates.

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An "air raid shelter" with a "flimsy wooden door"??? Why would anyone build somethin as an air -raid shelter with a so-called "flimsy" wooden door? Pretty weird shit.

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Even if a peephole was not entirely necessary for a disinfestation chamber, it has nevertheless been proved that the disinfestation chamber doors installed in Auschwitz were also equipped with exactly such peepholes, as shown in the photograph reproduced here (Fig. 33).[209] One document indicates that gas-tight doors measuring 100 cm × 192 cm were ordered for morgue 1 (the 'gas chamber') of crematoria II and III.[210]

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Yeah sounds like the deniers have real trouble explaing their own shit when they backed against the wall.

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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By who?

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I already know about that. Good job spreading again more propaganda.

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You mean BOBBY Fisher? Don't know any Billy Fisher holocaust denier.

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You were arguing about LEGALITY.

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And if I do it publicly it's not going to look good.

Most historians that doubt the holocaust claims don't speak of it - because their career would be over, whether or not they actually committed a crime.

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It was still LEGAL. So no matter whatt deniers are unhappy right?

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They just refer to Leuchter anyway.

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Not biased eh?  

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Wait. "inmate bodies lying in front of the door"????
I thought it was a shower room? Why would inmates being "lying in front of the door"? Oh because they were being killed?

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One has to consider that a hypothetical homicidal 'gas chamber' door would have to open outwards-a door opening inwards would be blocked by inmate bodies lying in front of the door.

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An "air raid shelter" with a "flimsy wooden door"??? Why would anyone build somethin as an air -raid shelter with a so-called "flimsy" wooden door? Pretty weird shit.

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Why do they need peepholes for delusing chanbers? Why were the peepholes fitted with a grille inside the chamber? Why use the showers as an air raid shelter with a "flims" door?

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Yeah sounds like the deniers have real trouble explaing their own shit when they backed against the wall.

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Thomas Dunskus

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Yes.

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And people act like it's a crime.

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And if I do it publicly it's not going to look good.

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Most historians that doubt the holocaust claims don't speak of it

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We want freedom of speech -

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not to be shot down when we say something people don't like.

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They refer to that and the data you posted that claims they were gassed.

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Peepholes are used to see through - maybe they felt the need to see through it so they wouldn't breathe in the gas.

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You just assumed revisionists would have trouble or did you actually ask one?

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YOU go deal with them.

Post edited at 3:29 am on Dec. 7, 2008 by jakelong

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Some German actor?

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And another holocaust "Expert" - that BELIEVES in the 6 million number and gassing - admitted it was a fake. Jean Claude Pressac.

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So no matter what you guys are gonna cry...

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They also hid a lot of "Evidence" during the times revision was legal.

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You? You are doing it right now and did it before. And the US doesn't have any denier law.

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Then how do YOU know they are doubting it?

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Is that why Nazis shoved ppl in prison for speaking out against the fuhrer and against nazism?

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The National Socialists believed that the State, as the representative of the organic national population as a whole, had an obligation to regulate what media and academic ideas were fed into the population. It did not specify these must be banned, only that illusory concepts not be taught or spread through mass media. This is parallel to Socrates' questioning in The Republic of what a government should tolerate, knowing that most of its citizens could not fully understand the consequences of the ideas shown to them only as a promise of better consequences.

While we in liberal democracies are reared, and repeatedly told by our mass media, that any such government action takes away our "freedom," we also see the results every day of children seeing mass media and acting out its sexual, social, drug-related and violence-related ideals to disastrous consequences. We see how newspapers and television dilute culture with fast easy promises that turn out to be empty, and how our academics fill our children's heads with unworkable but emotive solutions, luring them away from the lives they will find most fulfilling. This is a difficult moral question that should be tackled elsewhere, yet what we must remember is that the NSDAP did not say "ban these ideas" but "do not teach them as fact, whether through academia or the media."

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You mean ppl get executed for speaking out? Prove it please.

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To "Shoot [someone] down" doesn't literally mean to shoot them!

But, then again, people have had their life threatened for not believing the 6 million number.

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And offer no additional data...

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Therefore, they used:
* Studies claiming mass gassing DID NOT occur.
* Studies claiming mass gassing DID occur.

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Ah- ha! Thanks for confirming they were being gassed.

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You can tell they have trouble since they ar tripping over their own data.

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Have you seen the Alfred Hitchcock holocaust video? It's full of Nazi shrunken head claims and Jew-fat soap!

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why the fuck are you arguing about something THAT DID HAPPEN, both yall are bona-fide jackasses, the only evidence you need to convince anyone is the bodies.

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You'd be a shitty historian.

NOBODY denies that Jews died under the Third Reich.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Is that why Nazis shoved ppl in prison for speaking out against the fuhrer and against nazism?

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The National Socialists believed that the State, as the representative of the organic national population as a whole, had an obligation to regulate what media and academic ideas were fed into the population. It did not specify these must be banned, only that illusory concepts not be taught or spread through mass media. This is parallel to Socrates' questioning in The Republic of what a government should tolerate, knowing that most of its citizens could not fully understand the consequences of the ideas shown to them only as a promise of better consequences.  

While we in liberal democracies are reared, and repeatedly told by our mass media, that any such government action takes away our "freedom," we also see the results every day of children seeing mass media and acting out its sexual, social, drug-related and violence-related ideals to disastrous consequences. We see how newspapers and television dilute culture with fast easy promises that turn out to be empty, and how our academics fill our children's heads with unworkable but emotive solutions, luring them away from the lives they will find most fulfilling. This is a difficult moral question that should be tackled elsewhere, yet what we must remember is that the NSDAP did not say "ban these ideas" but "do not teach them as fact, whether through academia or the media."

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It is obvious that all of us here cherish our freedom of speech, and we would never want to be under a government that took that away from us. I think the ultimate freedom of speech was achieved under Hitler: where science, race, nation, and economics could be discussed in a truthful way without reprisal.

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Do you honestly believe all German citizens had freedom of speech under the Hitler?

Are you aware of how he came into power? The Night of the Long Knives? The numerous political murders in the years preceeding that night? The number of convicted murders holding high positions in the SA?

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Do you honestly believe all German citizens had freedom of speech under the Hitler?

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Are you aware of how he came into power?

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Also - after 4 years of the NSDAP - a poll took place proving that 99% of the German nation was pro-NSDAP.

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Night of the Long Knives?

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The numerous political murders in the years preceeding that night? The number of convicted murders holding high positions in the SA?

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Jean Claude Pressac.

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No... Anyway - we can now test things more accurately with better technology - but it's illegal.

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They also hid a lot of "Evidence" during the times revision was legal.

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This isn't publicly - it's on a forum.

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Well - David Irving and a few other revisionists actually get structured papers from other historians (Anonymously) and put them up on their websites.

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<snipped propaganda>

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The two largest groups of prisoners in the camps, both numbering in the millions, were Jews and the Soviet prisoners of war (POWs). Large numbers of Roma (or Gypsies), Poles, left of center political prisoners, homosexuals, people with disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic clergy, Eastern European intellectuals, and others—including common criminals . In addition, a small number of Western Allied POWs were sent to concentration camps for various reasons.[1] Western Allied POWs who were Jews, or whom the Nazis believed to be Jewish, were usually sent to ordinary POW camps; however, a small number were sent to concentration camps under antisemitic policies.[2]

Sometimes the concentration camps were used to hold important prisoners, such as the generals involved in the attempted assassination of Hitler; U-boat Captain-turned-Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller; and Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, who was interned at Flossenbürg on February 7, 1945, until he was hanged on April 9, shortly before the war's end.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

But hey we all "know": when nazis kill its to DEFEND themselves right? Just what I thought...

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To "Shoot [someone] down" doesn't literally mean to shoot them!

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But, then again, people have had their life threatened for not believing the 6 million number.

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They refer to all of the data

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I thought we said they were delousing chambers?

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Some chambers were delousing chambers for CLOTHES.

Some chambers were extermination chambers for killing.

Why were some chambers dynamited by Nazis when they left and NOT the delousing chambers?

Tell me.


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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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yeah I read about that guy and he don't bring much anything new.

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the deniers had 50 years to their work and didn't come up with much.

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Sure its all the fault of jews and jew-lovers.

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As you know - the victors write history.

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A public forum. Your buddy David Duke is doing it all the time.

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You don't know who I am or really anything about me that can mess with my life.

So it doesn't matter.

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David Duke and David Irving are well-known revisionists and so are all the nutcases you mention. They are "well--known" because their stuff has been published. We are in the US remember? Thats shit gets published in the US.

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And, sure, they can publish it here - within certain companies.
And good luck getting that book in the library or anything - I have to get mine online.

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Good job showing you are only here to spread propaganda. Book burning is another good Nazi "ceremony" I bet

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The thing is - the Germans were HAPPY to burn the books - and wanted to!

But I'm sure you can think of MANY books that are banned in countries - and many have been challeneged in the USA.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

But hey we all "know": when nazis kill its to DEFEND themselves right? Just what I thought...

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They were sent for labor - anyone that wasn't fighting or a normal citizen should have, ESPECIALLY POW's.

That's just how war goes on - but I LOVE how people make Germans seem evil when Soviets, Japanese, etc were doing things much worse.

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Not in my area.

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Threatened by whom? The nazi police state?

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You DO know it's illegal to threaten someone - right?

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But do not bring up any new studies or experiments.

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I never said that.

Some chambers were delousing chambers for CLOTHES.

Some chambers were extermination chambers for killing.

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Remember it said:
"Even if a peephole was not entirely necessary for a disinfestation chamber, it has nevertheless been proved that the disinfestation chamber doors installed in Auschwitz were also equipped with exactly such peepholes"

Then you asked"
"Why do they need peepholes for delusing chanbers?"

Delousing chambers weren't for killing.

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Why were some chambers dynamited by Nazis when they left and NOT the delousing chambers?

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But it has been said (By revisionists and historians - even the Auschwitz guides) that the "Gas Chambers" were used as bomb shelters too.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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They did - but then again they DID NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY OF TODAY.

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I'd assume it was all of the allies - they only present what they want.

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As you know - the victors write history.

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Duke isn't sitting on his computer doing it - he's going out making speeches and going to conventions.

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And, sure, they can publish it here - within certain companies.

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And good luck getting that book in the library or anything - I have to get mine online.

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They burned books of other cultures and ideologies - but then again book burning only happened a few times.

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The thing is - the Germans were HAPPY to burn the books - and wanted to!

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But I'm sure you can think of MANY books that are banned in countries - and many have been challeneged in the USA.

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Where did it say they mass killed them?

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They were sent for labor - anyone that wasn't fighting or a normal citizen should have, ESPECIALLY POW's.

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I LOVE how people make Germans seem evil when Soviets, Japanese, etc were doing things much worse.

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but they are almost always anonymous threats.

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They probably would if THEY WERE ALLOWED TO TEST IT.

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"Why do they need peepholes for delusing chanbers?"

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Delousing chambers weren't for killing.

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Here is the onfo/link

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At the liberation of the camp none of the homicidal gas chambers remained in their original state, they had been dismantled, dynamited or transformed. The only intact gas chamber(s) were in Kanada I [Photos 11 to 13]. The Soviet film "Chronicles of the liberation of the camp, 1945" shows a gas-tight door belonging to this or these gas chamber(s) [Photos 14 and 15]. The cans of Zyklon-B discovered in Kanada I had been used there for delousing purposes [Photos 16 and 17]. Not one of them was full. Also found was a box containing a chemical reagent used to check for the presence of hydrocyanic gas, a box to which the Soviets wrongly attributed a criminal use [Photo 18].

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Since the homicidal and delousing gas chambers using Zyklon-B had been installed and equipped according to the same principle, they had identical gas-tight doors fabricated in the same workshops, the Auschwitz DAW woodworking and metalworking shops [Photos 28 to 31]. Confusion was inevitable, since at this time it was not known how to distinguish between the two types of gas chamber. Photos taken after the war [Photos 19 to 27] and before the remains of the Kanada I delousing installation were demolished make it possible to see that the two types of gas chamber were equipped in exactly the same way. The only difference is in the gas-tight doors: there is a hemispherical grid protecting the peephole on the interior of the doors of homicidal gas chambers, a protection not fitted on the doors of delousing chambers.

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http://tinyurl.com/5ptgyb

Not even you favorite deniers are denying that the crematorium were destroyed. If people have "nothing to hide" as you say why destroy the place? If there was nothing wrong going on in those places. Why destroy them and only them?

Here is more info here

http://tinyurl.com/6n7ear

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 that the "Gas Chambers" were used as bomb shelters too.

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How can you deny the Holocaust when the events that led to it were obvious?

I have heard deniers say there was no proof.

All I can say is are you kidding me?

Hitler did not Like the Jewish, he turned Germany vastly Anti Semitical, what does an Anti Semitical state do?

You know possibly like, Exterminate the Jews?

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The answer is people are brainwashed to believe crazy things. The leader of Iran denies the holocausts and he brainwashes others to believe the same thing.
These people I am talking about leaders like the president of Iran, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups  are a great threat to peace in the middle east and the world. They brainwash kids and children to belive this and to die for "thier cause". It's insanity and a great threat to peace.

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WRB representatives persuaded the neutral nations, especially Spain, Switzerland, and Turkey, to give transit rights and temporary accommodation to refugees and to serve as bases for the clandestine activities of WRB agents. Sometimes assisted by U.S. diplomats, WRB agents initiated negotiations with the representatives of Germany's Axis partners -- Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria -- on neutral sites. They reminded Axis government officials that they would likely lose the war and be called to account for their actions. In dealing with Hungarian officials during the weeks before the deportation of the Hungarian Jews began, WRB agents broadcast warnings by President Roosevelt, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and various prominent U.S. citizens. Based in Istanbul, Turkey, WRB agent Ira Hirschman exploited Romanian dictator Ion Antonescu's change of policy towards Romanian Jews to negotiate the return of 48,000 Jews in the spring of 1944 from Romanian-occupied Ukraine (also known as Transnistria), and to facilitate the emigration of 7,000 Jews to Palestine via Turkey.

The WRB's original idea to establish "free ports" as safe havens for refugees in the United States and elsewhere yielded but one success: the establishment of a single refugee camp in Oswego, New York. In August 1944, the WRB brought 982 refugees, most of them Yugoslav citizens-both Jews and non-Jews -- from liberated areas of Italy to Oswego; the U.S. government subsequently admitted the Oswego refugees to the United States as immigrants.

The WRB achieved its best-known success in 1944 in German-occupied Hungary. Following the German occupation in March, Hungarian officials rounded up and deported approximately 440,000 Jews from Hungary. After taking custody of them at the borders of the so-called Greater German Reich, German authorities transported most of them to Auschwitz. The WRB had been active in Budapest well before the arrival of its best-known agent, Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg, in July 1944. At the request of the WRB, the U.S. government issued warnings to the Hungarian regime. WRB officials also lobbied the Red Cross, the Vatican, and officials in the neutral countries to increase their representation in Hungary and to add their voices to the protest against the persecution and deportation of Jews by Hungarian officials. Protests and official warnings from the U.S. government and the Vatican, accompanied by the bombing of Budapest by the U.S. air force in the first days of July 1944, influenced the Hungarian leader, Regent Miklos Horthy, to announce a halt to the deportation of the Hungarian Jews on July 6.

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So INSTEAD of sending them on their merry way outside the German reich the nazis KEPT them all in Auschwitz INSIDE the greater german reich. Thats a real effective way to "get rid" of ppl you don't like.

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Cable from London to Rabbi Stephen Wise regarding the "Final Solution."

C Aug 28-42

1. LINYL LIVERPOOL 123 1/64 25 NLT

 
2. STEPHEN WISE WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS NEW YORK

 
3. HAVE RECEIVED THROUGH FOREIGN OFFICE FOLLOWING MESSAGE FROM RIEGNER GENEVA STOP (RECEIVED ALARMING REPORT THAT IN FUHRERS HEADQUARTERS PLAN DISCUSSED AND UNDER CONSIDERATION ALL JEWS IN COUNTRIES OCCUPIED OR CONTROLLED GERMANY NUMBERING 3-1/2 TO 4 MILLION SHOULD AFTER DEPORTATION AND CONCENTRATION IN EAST AT ONE BLOW EXTERMINATED TO RESOLVE ONCE FOR ALL JEWISH QUESTION IN EUROPE. STOP ACTION REPORTED PLANNED FOR AUTUMN METHODS UNDER DISCUSSION INCLUDING PRUSSIC ACID STOP WE TRANSMIT INFORMATION WITH ALL NECESSARY RESERVATION AS EXACTITUDE CANNOT BE CONFIRMED STOP INFORMANT STATED TO HAVE CLOSE CONNECTIONS WITH HIGHEST GERMAN AUTHORITIES AND HIS REPORTS GENERALLY RELIABLE STOP INFORM AND CONSULT NEW YORK STOP FOREIGN OFFICE HAS NO INFORMATION BEARING ON OR CONFIRMING STORY

 
4. SAMUEL SILVERMAN

 
5. MM REFERRED ADSE: B5057 SNDR & TEXT NSL

 
7. WU

 
1200 CNY 89035 AG  

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/holocaust/filmmore/reference/primary/newscable.html

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP