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Holocaust Deniers.
Replies: 152Last Post Dec. 22, 2008 8:59pm by kidd rune
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fools may even deny the World war.
There are videos of people getting killed in the war.

There are population counts proving it.

None of this exists in the "Holocaust."

Find me a video of someone being gassed.
Find me aerial photos of people being mass murdered.

Find me UNDENIABLE proof - or you have nothing.

And no, "Translated" quotes don't prove anything - some words are changed in the translations...

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Actually we don't have to give you undeniable proof; you are talking about an unreasonable burden of proof.

Briefly browsing Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial) provides enough evidence and refutes all of the claims I've seen you make kr.


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Quote: from biflexible at 5:59 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

Actually we don't have to give you undeniable proof; you are talking about an unreasonable burden of proof.

Briefly browsing Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial) provides enough evidence and refutes all of the claims I've seen you make kr.


It doesn't really.

I've been looking at it and much of it is hand-picked and outdated - and the weaker claims too.

Where are the pictures of people getting gassed?


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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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!!!CAUTION!!!

The following link contains links and extracts of the most harrowing actions imaginable.

Documentation of the Holocaust

I do not understand how you can deny that.
I have nothing further to say.

Post edited at 3:27 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 by biflexible


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Quote: from biflexible at 6:20 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

!!!CAUTION!!!

The following link contains links and extracts of the most harrowing actions imaginable.

http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/#PHoH

I do not understand how you can deny that.
I have nothing further to say.


What do you think I'm denying?

Also - if you have a picture of someone being gassed tell me which it is - I can't find it.

EDIT:
Funny, I guess this site is outdated.

It still has the shrunken head claims!

Even holocaust historians don't consider that true!

EDIT2:

Seriously, go to http://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=2

It's all about Holocaust debate and it's better than what you'll get in this forum.

Make an account - it usually gets verified in an hour or two.

Then post what you must and see how it goes.

Post edited at 3:30 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 by kidd rune

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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You will only accept that gas chambers existed in Nazi Germany if there are videos of internees being gassed?

Were you dropped on your head as a small child?

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i love how you need a picture of every dead body to prove that it happened. show me a picture of every dead soldier and civilian's body during any war. i love how you make a ignorant fool out of yourself in this thread KR

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You will only accept that gas chambers existed in Nazi Germany if there are videos of internees being gassed?

Were you dropped on your head as a small child?


Where's the rest of the proof?

Some people say millions died from it - I just want some real proof! Eyewitness counts aren't really proof of that either.


i love how you need a picture of every dead body to prove that it happened. show me a picture of every dead soldier and civilian's body during any war. i love how you make a ignorant fool out of yourself in this thread KR  
I don't need a picture of everybody - but I'm awaiting a picture of ONE PERSON with proof of being gassed to death.

One out of 6 million isn't hard to find, is it?

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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Quote: from kidd rune at 4:51 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

I don't need a picture of everybody - but I'm awaiting a picture of ONE PERSON with proof of being gassed to death.

One out of 6 million isn't hard to find, is it?



You don't even need one picture.

What you really need are some soil samples taken from the concentration camps that are alleged to gas their inmates and test it for evidence.

Thing is, both the German and Polish governments prohibit any testing of that soil.  How does this not raise a few red flags for many?


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Quote: from Bud2400 at 8:00 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

Quote: from kidd rune at 4:51 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

I don't need a picture of everybody - but I'm awaiting a picture of ONE PERSON with proof of being gassed to death.  

 One out of 6 million isn't hard to find, is it?


 
You don't even need one picture.

What you really need are some soil samples taken from the concentration camps that are alleged to gas their inmates and test it for evidence.

Thing is, both the German and Polish governments prohibit any testing of that soil. How does this not raise a few red flags for many?


they've found cyanic residue at concentration camps

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Quote: from Vintorez at 5:17 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

they've found cyanic residue at concentration camps


So?  You do realize that cyanide has applications beyond just killing people, do you not?  It has a few medical uses (mainly in rapidly decreasing blood pressure) and is an especially popular ingredient in rat poison and for killing ants (which would be necessary for Germany to conserve its food supply, would it not?  These camps were used as a factory of all kinds of goods useful to the war effort).

Remember, just because somebody was shot and I happen to have a gun does not necessarily mean I shot that person.  You're grasping at straws if you're using this argument.

Really, I don't see why we can't just let scientists take samples of these soils and test it for evidence, which if there were evidence in the soil, would be foolproof evidence.  Isn't it slightly alarming to you that they prohibit this?


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they've found cyanic residue at concentration camps  
There were 2 or three scientists that tested the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Both came out with no evidence of gassings in the chambers - but the delousing chambers had LOADS of residue.

They were all called anti-semites, put in jail, and their lives were pretty fucked from the whole ordeal.

Then comes along a government funded man and he tests them and comes along positive...

A nice discussion:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4111" target="_top">http://http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4111

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occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from Bud2400 at 8:45 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

Quote: from Vintorez at 5:17 pm on Dec. 4, 2008

they've found cyanic residue at concentration camps

 
So? You do realize that cyanide has applications beyond just killing people, do you not? It has a few medical uses (mainly in rapidly decreasing blood pressure) and is an especially popular ingredient in rat poison and for killing ants (which would be necessary for Germany to conserve its food supply, would it not? These camps were used as a factory of all kinds of goods useful to the war effort).

Remember, just because somebody was shot and I happen to have a gun does not necessarily mean I shot that person. You're grasping at straws if you're using this argument.

Really, I don't see why we can't just let scientists take samples of these soils and test it for evidence, which if there were evidence in the soil, would be foolproof evidence. Isn't it slightly alarming to you that they prohibit this?



why would a poisonous substance be spread on every surface of the gas chamber but nowhere else? if it was being used as insect or pest repellent OR as medicine, ,don't you think it would have been found elsewhere, most especially in the medical areas and living quarters of the prisionerss...and considering they still found large amounts of the cyanic substances after the former gas chambers have been exposed to rain, snow, and the elements for over 60 years shows that it must have been used constantly and has extremely high concentrations of the gas immediately after the war.

we're not talking about the gun. if you had gunshot residue on your hands, that means YOU fired the gun. which is the case here.


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why would a poisonous substance be spread on every surface of the gas chamber but nowhere else?
Ummm, it wasn't!

It was quite prevalent in the delousing chambers and their walls were stained blue with the residue - something the gas chambers lacked.


if it was being used as insect or pest repellent OR as medicine, ,don't you think it would have been found elsewhere, most especially in the medical areas and living quarters of the prisionerss...and considering they still found large amounts of the cyanic substances after the former gas chambers have been exposed to rain, snow, and the elements for over 60 years shows that it must have been used constantly and has extremely high concentrations of the gas immediately after the war.
Holocaust historians actually say that only 5% of the Zyclon-B was actually used in the gassing process.

And it was kind of trapped in - due to it being a gas chamber and all - why let the gas out?

Cyanide residue is entirely visible in the delousing chambers - but not the actual gas chambers - and it took a few tries to actually find the residue - and by a person sent by the government at that!


we're not talking about the gun. if you had gunshot residue on your hands, that means YOU fired the gun. which is the case here.
Actually, it would be less than that. Even if the residue was there and 100% proven - that still doesn't account for the number of deaths - or if it happened one, two, three, ten, hundreds, or thousands of times.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from kidd rune at 12:51 am on Dec. 5, 2008

Where's the rest of the proof?

Some people say millions died from it - I just want some real proof! Eyewitness counts aren't really proof of that either.


You mean evidence. And yes, there's plenty of evidence, all the usual historiographic shit: documents, people, photos, diaries, politics.

It seems as if you often switch between arguing that the holocaust didn't happen and that it did happen but not to the accepted scale. Which is it?


I don't need a picture of everybody - but I'm awaiting a picture of ONE PERSON with proof of being gassed to death.

One out of 6 million isn't hard to find, is it?


Here we go again. Firstly, no where near 6 million people were gassed. It's quite amusing this goes to show how little you actually know about a topic you often talk about. Secondly, it isn't reasonable to believe that (a) someone took a photo of someone being gassed, (b) the photo still exists today and (c) the photo is available to us.

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