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Which does not prove anything. If there was cover up or lies, the German government in West and East had plenty of time to find info.

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The German government was raped at the end of the war and taken over by the allies.

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Why would allies lie about $6 million jews on that kind of scale? What do Americans and Russians and French and British have to gain about getting ppl to be sympathetic to victims from POLAND? Why would capitalist AND communists get together even DURING the cold war?

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I can't answer the question "Why would they lie" but you can sure as hell ask the Jews, Soviets, Americans, British, and others that have been PROVEN liars.

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The old nazi excuse.

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True of everyone.

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So? There's pletny of books I can't get in stores or the library. They can't possibly have everything you want on the shelves.

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So when Nazi burn books its cool but when others don't have you favortie book on the shelf you go cry in a corner? what a wuss.

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Regardless - the Germans were having a cultural resurrection. Everything of other cultures - everything pro-Communism and pro-Jewish - was burned.

It's not like it was FORCEFULLY done either - many of the Germans gladly threw their books in the fire.

They were happy for the new Nationalist revival of the German people.

They LOVED Hitler.

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Sure and they were HAPPY to gas Jews and kill old men women and kids too apparently...

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Sure so don't act like only revisionists are being targetted boohooo wah wah wah.

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Most revisionists only want to be able to put their books out there so the average person can read that - then an exterminationist book - and compare and contrast.

Every man should get the chance to believe what he wants.
The internet is a new, powerful method of this - though many "Nazi" sites are banned in some countries and it's not like they aren't shut down sometimes.

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When a bunch of prisoners come in an they get a death rateof 80 to 90% on every camp you see a pattern...

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Where did you find it?

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Since when are old men women and children and politcal prisoners, POWs?

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Were the Jewish mothers going to leave their kids behind?

Were the Jewish dads going to leave their family behind?

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2 wrongs don't make a right.

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Oh so those poor little deniers get anonymous threats so IT MEANS they are persecuted by the state?

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That just means they have to go into hiding or get killed.

Or if they came from a European country and immigrated to the USA - they will get sent back.

Jake - do you think Holocaust revision should be considered a crime? Should years in jail be given for revision?

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People from the institutes WERE ALLOWED to test it. Funny you refuse to believe their version.

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Which I ask again...

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Nobody says there were no delousing chambers - and they sure as hell used Zyclon-B in them - but they WERE NOT MASS MURDERING CHAMBERS.

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And I ask why were  delousing chambers kept intact while others were dynamited?

Not even you favorite deniers are denying that the crematorium were destroyed. If people have "nothing to hide" as you say why destroy the place? If there was nothing wrong going on in those places. Why destroy them and only them?

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With a "flimsy" wooden door with "weak"  hinges?

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They could easily break out of it and escape - and I doubt the gas would stay in all that well.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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The answer is people are brainwashed to believe crazy things. The leader of Iran denies the holocausts and he brainwashes others to believe the same thing.
These people I am talking about leaders like the president of Iran, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups  are a great threat to peace in the middle east and the world. They brainwash kids and children to belive this and to die for "thier cause". It's insanity and a great threat to peace.

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Maybe teach both sides and let the public decide.

You can't say that every "Fact" they teach you is true.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/DCrecant.html

Cole is a Jew by the way.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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The answer is people are brainwashed to believe crazy things. The leader of Iran denies the holocausts and he brainwashes others to believe the same thing.  
These people I am talking about leaders like the president of Iran, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups  are a great threat to peace in the middle east and the world. They brainwash kids and children to belive this and to die for "thier cause". It's insanity and a great threat to peace.

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Why teach it as true instead?

Maybe teach both sides and let the public decide.

You can't say that every "Fact" they teach you is true.

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There is "undeniable evidence" that it is true. Video's Documents, testimonials, records of dead jews, thier bodies mass graves and concentration camps. this is enough evidence for any person to see that it is true.
This is a fact and true and that is how it is.
People who deny this are in denial and  and have been brainwashed and are lying. I see you have been brainwashed my friend. Get those Neo Nazi idea's out of your head and look at the real truth. You will be better off. Your from America, you have a right to belive in that, but you are brainwashed my friend and have been lied to and are in denial.

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The German government was full of revisionists? HA!

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But you don't know much about that apparently.

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Well the Soviets themselves claimed the number WAY higher than 6 million.

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George Patton was a well-known anti-semite. He really didn't like jews at all. Here is what he had to say on one of the camps

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The photo above shows General Dwight D. Eisenhower viewing the gallows at Ohrdruf. Standing to the left of the general, and partially hidden by a pole, is Captain Alois Liethen, who was General Eisenhower's interpreter. The two men on Eisenhower's right are survivors who are explaining the atrocities committed in the camp. The Ohrdruf camp was unique in that prisoners were hanged there with piano wire, rather than with rope, according to the survivors. An identical gallows was found at the Buchenwald main camp, where prisoners were hanged with rope.

The man on the far left, wearing a jacket and a scarf, is one of the survivors who served as a guide for General Eisenhower and his entourage. The next day the guide was "killed by some of the inmates," General Patton wrote in his memoirs, explaining that the guide "was not a prisoner at all, but one of the executioners."

In a letter dated April 15, 1945, addressed to Ike (General Dwight D. Eisenhower), Patton wrote the following regarding the man who had served as their guide at Ohrdruf:

It may interest you to know that the very talkative, alleged former member of the murder camp was recognized by a Russian prisoner as a former guard. The prisoner beat his brains out with a rock.

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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/Ohrdruf01.html

Patton called Ohdruf a MURDER CAMP. yet did he like Jews? No. Did he like Soviets? hell no. Did he like Communists? He hated them as much as nazis did.  

Tell me why an anti-semite who hates communists would call a Nazi camp a MURDER camp?  

Maybe because he saw masses of burnt corpses with HIS OWN eyes?

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I can't answer the question

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But maybe thats asking too much of ppl like you...

Post edited at 8:23 pm on Dec. 8, 2008 by jakelong

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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There is "undeniable evidence" that it is true. Video's Documents, testimonials, records of dead jews, thier bodies mass graves and concentration camps. this is enough evidence for any person to see that it is true.
This is a fact and true and that is how it is.
People who deny this are in denial and  and have been brainwashed and are lying. I see you have been brainwashed my friend. Get those Neo Nazi idea's out of your head and look at the real truth. You will be better off. Your from America, you have a right to belive in that, but you are brainwashed my friend and have been lied to and are in denial.

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And, no, eyewitness reports don't count. I can find plenty of eye-witness reports - being similar themselves - that claim they were abducted by aliens.

Do you believe that?

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There were 2 governments. Opposed in ideas and ideology. Someone could have found something and been to the advantage of blaming the other side.  

But you don't know much about that apparently.

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Did they have an internet to transmit data worldwide?

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Sure and if they made things up many in the US government would have been HAPPY to prove that evidence was faked.

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This includes steam rooms, shrunken heads, electrocution, and more.

Funny - Witnesses broke down crying at the Zundel trial, ADMITTING that they were liars.

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George Patton was a well-known anti-semite. He really didn't like jews at all. Here is what he had to say on one of the camps

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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/Ohrdruf01.html

Patton called Ohdruf a MURDER CAMP. yet did he like Jews? No. Did he like Soviets? hell no. Did he like Communists? He hated them as much as nazis did.  

Tell me why an anti-semite who hates communists would call a Nazi camp a MURDER camp?  

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I can also ask questions!

Why would Paul Rassinier - someone that suffered persecution under the Nazi regime and was put in [alleged] concentration camps be a holocaust revisionist (or denier if that word makes you feel better)?

Why would Joseph Burg - a Jew that was put in concentration camps - deny the holocaust?

And then you mentioned anti-Communism.

Some communists "Deny" the Holocaust too!
Paul Rassinier and Roger Garaudy are commies - yet they would be what you consider Holocaust "Deniers."

Your site also said:

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Note that General Patton referred to Ohrdruf as a "murder camp" in his letter. It is clear from Patton's letters and his memoir that he did not have a clear understanding of the purpose of the concentration camps and labor camps because he believed everything that the prisoners told him.

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You SHOULD ASK YOURSELF the question if you are really honest about thinking about it.

But maybe thats asking too much of ppl like you...

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Pretend that many people lied about the Holocaust.
Pretend that you somehow went back and time and FOUND OUT that there was no mass murder.

Now - with all that - what would your answer to that quesiton be?

No other comments necessary - and try not to avoid it.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

Kidrunne read Sigmund Freuds' work or Karl Marx's the capital and manifesto. You will find these books interesting. these are the books of scholars and ecomincsts.

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Kid Rune listen to this. Hitler brainwashed millions of people. He fooled them and he wanted revenge. He created an ideology a new idea, world domination. He was insane. His own people thought that. He killed and murdered these people if he found out. He burned books like Sigmund Freud's' philosophies, Karl Marx's philishophies and censured so much. He was became insane.
Hitlir was driven by anger, jealousy, fear and revenge.
He was a former German military officer who had been shot I believe in World War I.  
He wanted Revenge on France, England and their allies.
Hitlir saw what the French and English did to Germany and it's people. German people were starving, homeless. Mothers could not feed their children. Cities and villages were destroyed. The German economy was in ruin. France sent troops and forced German workers to hand over their wages to the people. Germans protested and had no money. England and France and the allies made germany sighn and accept full blame for starting the war. They did not start it and they did not deserve to pay for france's and englands expenses! france and england used and abused germany.
 Hitlir saw all this, he become angry, he was driven by this seeing his people and country suffer, seing what the french and allies did to his people and country and himself. He wanted to do something. He came to power, he promised to restore the pride of the German people, and to feed them, and to rebuild the german cities and army. He did just that he restored the german pride, the army and rebuild the economy and he got revenge on France. He captured forieghn lands and countries. However he took his ideas too far. he wanted world domination for a master Aryan race instead of respecting others. He later grew weak and insane and killed himself because he knew he would be captured.
You are pursuing a lost ideology created out of hate, jealousy, fear and revenge by Adolf Hitler.  
World War II is over man.  
the treaty of Versailles's was responsible for world war II and the rise of hitlir. England and France abused germany and treated it too harshly to the point where people were starving and wanted revenge.
Historians know this is the cause for World War II and the rise of hitlir. In troubled times people look for a strong powerful leader with a solution. Often times these leaders are dictators with crazy ideas like hitlir.
The allies USA ENGLAND FRANCE after they defeated hitlir knew not to treat germany as harshly as they did before or the same thing would happen.
Move on man. It's over. Obviously there is still some resentment between countries and people but you must learn from this and your mistakes and move on.

Kidrunne read Sigmund Freuds' work or Karl Marx's the capital and manifesto. You will find these books interesting. these are the books of scholars and ecomincsts.

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I failed to find any reliable sources -or any sources at all - for your claims.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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There is "undeniable evidence" that it is true. Video's Documents, testimonials, records of dead jews, thier bodies mass graves and concentration camps. this is enough evidence for any person to see that it is true.  
This is a fact and true and that is how it is.  
People who deny this are in denial and  and have been brainwashed and are lying. I see you have been brainwashed my friend. Get those Neo Nazi idea's out of your head and look at the real truth. You will be better off. Your from America, you have a right to belive in that, but you are brainwashed my friend and have been lied to and are in denial.

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If there is undeniable evidence - do the following challenge:

Code:

Provide me with the name of one person, with proof, who was killed in a gas chamber at Auschwitz.

It's the Bradly Smith challenge.

And, no, eyewitness reports don't count. I can find plenty of eye-witness reports - being similar themselves - that claim they were abducted by aliens.

Do you believe that?

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There were 2 governments. Opposed in ideas and ideology. Someone could have found something and been to the advantage of blaming the other side.    

But you don't know much about that apparently.

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But did they have the technology to prove that many of the claims were wrong?

Did they have an internet to transmit data worldwide?

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Sure and if they made things up many in the US government would have been HAPPY to prove that evidence was faked.

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Don't be so sure about that.
Many claims have been disproven and aren't believed by the most beloved exterminationists.

This includes steam rooms, shrunken heads, electrocution, and more.

 
Funny - Witnesses broke down crying at the Zundel trial, ADMITTING that they were liars.

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George Patton was a well-known anti-semite. He really didn't like jews at all. Here is what he had to say on one of the camps

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Was it that image because the first didn't show?

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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/Ohrdruf01.html  

Patton called Ohdruf a MURDER CAMP. yet did he like Jews? No. Did he like Soviets? hell no. Did he like Communists? He hated them as much as nazis did.    

Tell me why an anti-semite who hates communists would call a Nazi camp a MURDER camp?  

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He was forced to maybe?

I can also ask questions!

Why would Paul Rassinier - someone that suffered persecution under the Nazi regime and was put in [alleged] concentration camps be a holocaust revisionist (or denier if that word makes you feel better)?

Why would Joseph Burg - a Jew that was put in concentration camps - deny the holocaust?

And then you mentioned anti-Communism.

Some communists "Deny" the Holocaust too!
Paul Rassinier and Roger Garaudy are commies - yet they would be what you consider Holocaust "Deniers."

Your site also said:

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Note that General Patton referred to Ohrdruf as a "murder camp" in his letter. It is clear from Patton's letters and his memoir that he did not have a clear understanding of the purpose of the concentration camps and labor camps because he believed everything that the prisoners told him.

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Prisoners exaggerating? Nah....

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You SHOULD ASK YOURSELF the question if you are really honest about thinking about it.  

But maybe thats asking too much of ppl like you...

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Alright - pretend everything I said was true. Just pretend for a minute.

Pretend that many people lied about the Holocaust.
Pretend that you somehow went back and time and FOUND OUT that there was no mass murder.

Now - with all that - what would your answer to that quesiton be?

No other comments necessary - and try not to avoid it.

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Your cherry picking and ignoring  evidence while trying
to convince yourself and others that hitlir was right. Hitler lied and was wrong. He was right that the allies mistreated germany and abused germany and forced germany to pay millions of dollars which they were not responsible. The allies got in turn a world war and devestation for thier ignorance and harsh treatment of germany. after world war II they finanlly learned. haha
I can show you millions of pages and people and photo's and NAZI's themselves who will tell you about hitlir's plans. Open your eyes and mind man.

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Quote: from Roger25 at 5:33 pm on Dec. 9, 2008

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Kid Rune listen to this. Hitler brainwashed millions of people. He fooled them and he wanted revenge. He created an ideology a new idea, world domination. He was insane. His own people thought that. He killed and murdered these people if he found out. He burned books like Sigmund Freud's' philosophies, Karl Marx's philishophies and censured so much.  He was became insane.  
 Hitlir was driven by anger, jealousy, fear and revenge.  
 He was a former German military officer who had been shot I believe in World War I.  
 He wanted Revenge on France, England and their allies.    
 Hitlir saw what the French and English did to Germany and it's people. German people were starving, homeless. Mothers could not feed their children. Cities and villages were destroyed. The German economy was in ruin. France sent troops and forced German workers to hand over their wages to the people. Germans protested and had no money. England and France and the allies made germany sighn and accept full blame for starting the war. They did not start it and they did not deserve to pay for france's and englands expenses! france and england used and abused germany.  
  Hitlir saw all this, he become angry, he was driven by this seeing his people and country suffer, seing what the french and allies did to his people and country and himself. He wanted to do something. He came to power, he promised to restore the pride of the German people, and to feed them, and to rebuild the german cities and army. He did just that he restored the german pride, the army and rebuild the economy and he got revenge on France. He captured forieghn lands and countries. However he took his ideas too far. he wanted world domination for a master Aryan race instead of respecting others. He later grew weak and insane and killed himself because he knew he would be captured.    
 You are pursuing a lost ideology created out of hate, jealousy, fear and revenge by Adolf Hitler.  
 World War II is over man.  
 the treaty of Versailles's was responsible for world war II and the rise of hitlir. England and France abused germany and treated it too harshly to the point where people were starving and wanted revenge.  
 Historians know this is the cause for World War II and the rise of hitlir. In troubled times people look for a strong powerful leader with a solution. Often times these leaders are dictators with crazy ideas like hitlir.  
 The allies USA ENGLAND FRANCE after they defeated hitlir knew not to treat germany as harshly as they did before or the same thing would happen.  
 Move on man. It's over. Obviously there is still some resentment between countries and people but you must learn from this and your mistakes and move on.  

 Kidrunne read Sigmund Freuds' work or Karl Marx's the capital and manifesto. You will find these books interesting. these are the books of scholars and ecomincsts.

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I read the first couple sentences.

I failed to find any reliable sources -or any sources at all - for your claims.

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Did you only read the first couple of sentences? or are you lying to me. you probably read the whole thing.

Apparently photographs, videos, dead bodies, mass graves, plants, records, Nazi accounts, and live people are not "RELIABLE SOURCES". LMAO your a fuckin dumbass. If that is not reliable evidence then I am not alive at this moment writing this.
Here read this book.

The Basic Writings of Sigmund Freud by Dr. A. A. Brill
page 91 paragraph 5-6. It will specifically mention Hitlir, Nazi's and their flaws. Hitlers own people disagreed with him but lied and pretended to agree with his philosophy to not get killed. Read that go and find that book.
Again all of that the graves, accounts, photos, records are reliable sources. a photo or mass grave, bones or the mark on the skin of a survivor is reliable evidence.
if you think that is not reliable evidence my friend you are deluded. haha I am done talking with you my  deluded friend.

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Your cherry picking and ignoring  evidence while trying
to convince yourself and others that hitlir was right.

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I'm trying to state that the alleged gassing people claim happened in mass scales didn't kill million or so people believe it did.

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Hitler lied and was wrong. He was right that the allies mistreated germany and abused germany and forced germany to pay millions of dollars which they were not responsible. The allies got in turn a world war and devestation for thier ignorance and harsh treatment of germany. after world war II they finanlly learned.

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And what was he specifically wrong about? He was wrong in certain areas - I know this - but the ones I can think of off the top of my head have nothing to do with this.

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I can show you millions of pages and people and photo's and NAZI's themselves who will tell you about hitlir's plans.

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Try it:

Code:

Provide me with the name of one person, with proof, who was killed in a gas chamber at Auschwitz.

Try not to avoid it like it has been avoided quite a bit in this thread.

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Open your eyes and mind man.

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Tell yourself "Maybe it didn't happen like I think it did"

Read BOTH SIDES of the story.

Find the supporting evidence for each side - and look at the basis for the six million number.

Look at the logic holes and circles exterminationists jump in.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Note that General Patton referred to Ohrdruf as a "murder camp" in his letter. It is clear from Patton's letters and his memoir that he did not have a clear understanding of the purpose of the concentration camps and labor camps because he believed everything that the prisoners told him. Captain Alois Liethen also believed the stories told by the survivors, for example, the allegation that prisoners at Ohrdruf were whipped for the slightest infraction of the rules, although in 1942, long before the Ohrdruf camp was in existence, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had forbidden the SS men to strike the prisoners.

A typhus epidemic had started in Germany in December 1944 and had quickly spread to all the camps as prisoners were transferred from one camp to another. Half of all the prisoners who died in the German camps died between December 1944 and the end of June 1945. Yet the survivors of Ohrdruf claimed that all the bodies found at the camp were those of prisoners who had been deliberately killed or starved to death.

Ohrdruf was a small sub-camp of Buchenwald and it did not have a crematorium with ovens to dispose of the bodies.

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It seems to be a very well documented event with lots of pics etc. First thing I noticed is that in all the pictures of living people - I don't see 1 single person who appears to be the slightest bit "starved". They actually look in pretty good shape to me. The text even says that the vast majority of the dead were victims of Typhus.

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A typhus epidemic had started in Germany in December 1944 and had quickly spread to all the camps as prisoners were transferred from one camp to another. Half of all the prisoners who died in the German camps died between December 1944 and the end of June 1945. Yet the survivors of Ohrdruf claimed that all the bodies found at the camp were those of prisoners who had been deliberately killed or starved to death.

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I also learned that at the Ohrdruf camp there existed an "outdoor crematory" of the same design that is said to of been used at Treblinka - Elevated Railroad tracks. There is even a picture of the thing. The most curious thing is the statements by prisoners made in connection with this.

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3 weeks ago the commandant of the camp was ordered to destroy all of the evidence of the mass killings in this place and he sent several hundred of these inmates out on the detail to exhume these bodies and have them burned. However, there wasn't time enough to burn all of the 3200 and only 1606 were actually burned and the balance were still buried under a light film of dirt.

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It would seem that it had taken them 3 weeks to destroy approximately 1600 bodies and there was no "Total destruction so that not a single trace remained" as we hear from the "death camps". There is even a picture showing what remains when bodies are burned in this way.

Maybe they should have taken a training trip to Treblinka. We all "know" that Treblinka could destroy 20 thousand bodies a day using the same method. I also noticed that with only 3 weeks of operation, the rails are buckled and twisted  I would imagine by the heat. How can that be? The "grate" as described at Treblinka operated 24hrs a day for months. Maybe they had better quality steel in the East? =P

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"