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Quote: from wallopwoop at 1:29 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from Mr Positive at 1:21 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:17 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Attention everyone! You can now stop cancer just by thinking it doesn't exist! It really works! Mr Positive said if you don't acknowledge things your body does then they won't happen!

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  No, you can't "stop" cancer, but positive thinking will decrease your chances of getting it.

  It's mainly negative people that you find in hospital beds, and not just for cancer, but for many other reasons (alot of them mental)

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 Alright kid, your original post wasn't spot on, but it was close. Now stop saying retarded shit that makes you harder to back up.

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It's a fact, even check it up yourself.

Negative people die younger, and that is a researched fact.

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That's a massive generalization.
If someone is negative all the time, they are DEPRESSED.

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Quote: from Everlongx at 1:29 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from wallopwoop at 1:27 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:05 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Mind over matter only takes you so far, the most successful people in life know this, and they do know there are limits set on a material level.

  To be perfectly honest, I don't believe you or wallop have ever experienced true depression. Could you have both had some hard times? Sure. But depression is an ongoing mental ailment that more often then not does require medical treatment, not simply "wishing it away."

  There are certain things you can't just stop with happy thoughts. You can't wish your body to make correctly formed cells when you have sickle cell anemia. You can't wish your body to stop creating tumors when you have cancer. Your mind can't do everything, and depression is just as material as cancer and sickle cell anemia.

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  Fuck you you worthless little shit. I have experienced depression, and probably on a higher level than you. So suck my balls, faggot.

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 careful now, positive thinking right?  
 How will you ever indoctrinate anyone with that tone of language?

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Nobody thinks positively all the time. But doing so the same amount as people without depression can help those with depression stop being depressed all the time. Of course, it might also need medicating depending on the degree on which the depression is being experienced.

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HOORAY.
WE AGREE!!!

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Quote: from wallopwoop at 3:27 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:05 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Mind over matter only takes you so far, the most successful people in life know this, and they do know there are limits set on a material level.    

  To be perfectly honest, I don't believe you or wallop have ever experienced true depression. Could you have both had some hard times? Sure. But depression is an ongoing mental ailment that more often then not does require medical treatment, not simply "wishing it away."    

  There are certain things you can't just stop with happy thoughts. You can't wish your body to make correctly formed cells when you have sickle cell anemia. You can't wish your body to stop creating tumors when you have cancer. Your mind can't do everything, and depression is just as material as cancer and sickle cell anemia.

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 Fuck you you worthless little shit. I have experienced depression, and probably on a higher level than you. So suck my balls, faggot.

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Very mature and composed. I could definetely see you having suffered from depression. Especially coupled with your constant sexist comments I always find on posts about relationships.

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I don't believe that the glass is half empty.
I'm talking about science... that thing you seem to forget.

I'm talking about the BRAIN - the vital organ in your head.
Your MIND (the part you CAN control) operates out of your head.

If there is a chemical imbalance in a part of your 'head organ' that you can't control with your mind then what will you do?
Positive thinking will help, but it can't fix your organ. No more than it can fix pancreatic cancer or lung cancer.

Stop running away from science.

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Well i'm not talking about science. I'm talking about whats "really" going on.

Everybody thats managed to get over depression will tell you that its because they "believed" they didnt have it anymore.

As long as you "believe" that depression is there..... it will always be there.

As I said earlier..... yes, depression is to do with chemicals in your mind..... but what these so called "great scientists" fail to tell you, is the simple FACT, that you are in control of these chemicals. Only you can make them go up.

Like I said, if you go on a roller coaster, chemicals increase, and you feel great.

Theres nothing stoping you from feeling great, simply by "believing" that you feel great.

You're feelings are controled by what you believe.

If you won the lottery, you would "believe" that you were happy, so you would feel happy....

Its all about what you "believe"

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Quote: from wallopwoop at 1:29 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from Mr Positive at 1:21 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:17 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Attention everyone! You can now stop cancer just by thinking it doesn't exist! It really works! Mr Positive said if you don't acknowledge things your body does then they won't happen!

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  No, you can't "stop" cancer, but positive thinking will decrease your chances of getting it.  

  It's mainly negative people that you find in hospital beds, and not just for cancer, but for many other reasons (alot of them mental)

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 Alright kid, your original post wasn't spot on, but it was close. Now stop saying retarded shit that makes you harder to back up.

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It's a fact, even check it up yourself.

Negative people die younger, and that is a researched fact.

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That's a massive generalization.
If someone is negative all the time, they are DEPRESSED.

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If somebody is "negative" all the time, they "believe" they are negative all the time.

You never ever come across a depressed person, who doesnt believe its there.

Everybody thats "depressed".... "believes" that they are, and "says" that they are.

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Quote: from Mr Positive at 1:36 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from wallopwoop at 1:29 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from Mr Positive at 1:21 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:17 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Attention everyone! You can now stop cancer just by thinking it doesn't exist! It really works! Mr Positive said if you don't acknowledge things your body does then they won't happen!

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  No, you can't "stop" cancer, but positive thinking will decrease your chances of getting it.  

  It's mainly negative people that you find in hospital beds, and not just for cancer, but for many other reasons (alot of them mental)

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  Alright kid, your original post wasn't spot on, but it was close. Now stop saying retarded shit that makes you harder to back up.

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 It's a fact, even check it up yourself.  

 Negative people die younger, and that is a researched fact.

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Dude, it's not a researched fact. Stop with that. We want people to be happy, but it doesn't mean that they're going die if they aren't.

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It is a researched fact. You just can't be bothered to see it for yourself.

Negative people die younger, due to "ill health" "suicide" "drugs and alcohol" etc....

Positive people don't commit suicide, positive people keep fit, positive people don't take drugs, and they don't become alcoholics.

So yes..... positive people live longer, and better lives.

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Quote: from Everlongx at 1:39 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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I don't believe that the glass is half empty.  
 I'm talking about science... that thing you seem to forget.  

 I'm talking about the BRAIN - the vital organ in your head.  
 Your MIND (the part you CAN control) operates out of your head.  

 If there is a chemical imbalance in a part of your 'head organ' that you can't control with your mind then what will you do?  
 Positive thinking will help, but it can't fix your organ. No more than it can fix pancreatic cancer or lung cancer.  

 Stop running away from science.

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Well i'm not talking about science. I'm talking about whats "really" going on.

Everybody thats managed to get over depression will tell you that its because they "believed" they didnt have it anymore.

As long as you "believe" that depression is there..... it will always be there.

As I said earlier..... yes, depression is to do with chemicals in your mind..... but what these so called "great scientists" fail to tell you, is the simple FACT, that you are in control of these chemicals. Only you can make them go up.

Like I said, if you go on a roller coaster, chemicals increase, and you feel great.

Theres nothing stoping you from feeling great, simply by "believing" that you feel great.

You're feelings are controled by what you believe.

If you won the lottery, you would "believe" that you were happy, so you would feel happy....

Its all about what you "believe"

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Chemicals in your BRAIN.
BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN.

AN ORGAN IN YOUR HEAD.
AN ORGAN.
JESUS.

AN O-R-G-A-N.

and yes of course your over depression because you believe you don't have it anymore. That's like saying you know your cars gone because you sold it.

the only thing you can control in your head is your mind - this is NOT where depression occurs. Even WopWop agrees that depending on the severity of the depression, medication may be needed.

Oh.. also. A roller coaster is an external stimulus. You did something that increased the SEROTONIN levels in your FUCKING BRAIN.

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Oh.. also. A roller coaster is an external stimulus. You did something that increased the SEROTONIN levels in your FUCKING BRAIN.

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Anything can be an external stimulus if you choose to enjoy it.

My whole life is a roller coaster, because I choose it to be.

I enjoy each day, I don't see bad events as negative, I see them as an exciting new challenege in my life.

Life will always throw challenges at you, how you choose to look and deal with these challenges, will ultimately effect how you feel.

IM CURED NOW TOO

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:17 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Attention everyone! You can now stop cancer just by thinking it doesn't exist! It really works! Mr Positive said if you don't acknowledge things your body does then they won't happen!

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No, you can't "stop" cancer, but positive thinking will decrease your chances of getting it.

It's mainly negative people that you find in hospital beds, and not just for cancer, but for many other reasons (alot of them mental)

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How dare you. HOW DARE YOU insinuate that people that are dying are they because they didn't THINK BLOODY POSITIVE!

My best friend's mother walked her dogs every day, twice a day. She was a nurse. She got regular checkups, mammograms, bone density tests etc. She ate only organic food - no processed food, no junk food and hardly any sugar. And she was one of the most cheery, smiley people you could ever meet.

Yes, she was hit by cancer. When they found out, there was nothing they could do. She died less than two weeks later.

Positive fucking thinking doesn't do anything, so shut up with your nonsense.

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Everybody thats managed to get over depression will tell you that its because they "believed" they didnt have it anymore.

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No, sorry. Both of my parents, my best friend and myself have suffered from depression. All of us needed medication to do it. There goes your "proof".

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As I said earlier..... yes, depression is to do with chemicals in your mind..... but what these so called "great scientists" fail to tell you, is the simple FACT, that you are in control of these chemicals. Only you can make them go up.

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So enlighten me, please? Why do people have panic attacks? Do they will themselves to freak out in public?

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Like I said, if you go on a roller coaster, chemicals increase, and you feel great.

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No. I do not feel great when I go on roller coasters. I am usually screaming my head off or keeping my mouth closed as tightly as possible so that I don't throw up all over the place.

It is not a conscious choice to produce adrenaline.

You sir, are a fucking twit. I would really love it if you would shove all of your "knowledge" back up your ass where you got it from and leave.

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I don't think you're using much logic here.

You're saying that by using your mind you can change something you yourself admit is influenced by brain chemistry. Brain chemistry is not reliant upon your thoughts, it's a biological thing.

Of course I believe a human being's mind is more powerful than the concept of a god... I think we can convince ourselves of many things but the fact remains that just by "willing" something you're not going to change something you admit to be biological.

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It takes an effort few magnitudes greater than just 'pushing yourself out of it' to do anything though.

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Quote: from Mr Positive at 1:21 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:17 am on Nov. 29, 2008

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Attention everyone! You can now stop cancer just by thinking it doesn't exist! It really works! Mr Positive said if you don't acknowledge things your body does then they won't happen!

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No, you can't "stop" cancer, but positive thinking will decrease your chances of getting it.  

It's mainly negative people that you find in hospital beds, and not just for cancer, but for many other reasons (alot of them mental)

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How dare you. HOW DARE YOU insinuate that people that are dying are they because they didn't THINK BLOODY POSITIVE!  

My best friend's mother walked her dogs every day, twice a day. She was a nurse. She got regular checkups, mammograms, bone density tests etc. She ate only organic food - no processed food, no junk food and hardly any sugar. And she was one of the most cheery, smiley people you could ever meet.  

Yes, she was hit by cancer. When they found out, there was nothing they could do. She died less than two weeks later.  

Positive fucking thinking doesn't do anything, so shut up with your nonsense.

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"Mental illness" represents a significant shift in perspective as is (as well as an inability to cope with the situation and the exposing of the fragility of the modern lifestyle), and to 'break free' of it, one has to accept a lot of very difficult things and massively shift their own worldview. Essentially, I think people have a tendency to hang on to 'mental disorders' because:

1) they can't come to terms with new 'realizations' which are too difficult to take, especially without support
2) they can't iron themselves out and figure out why they feel the way they do, again partly because of lack of support
3) they're not encouraged to do the above by society, but rather just stay back in their previous lifestyle and automatically 'fix' themselves
4) The drugs actually blunt mental processes as a way to take the edge off, and make it even more difficult to get to the roots of the problem(s)
5) It's a 'safety zone' and it's sure as hell not easy to break free of ones' comfort zones, especially when already hurting pretty bad

Getting over 'mental illness' can be accomplished through a massive shift of worldview that has been coming for a long time, but not through 'willing yourself out of it' or something.

Post edited at 11:22 am on Nov. 30, 2008 by iconoclast

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