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Quote: from sadnessness at 3:46 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
 Quote: from meow666 at 11:44 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
emotional depression is the crappy emo version of depression, that everyone immediately thinks you mean when you mention depression, though real depression is loads different...
i'm personally in the process of consulting doctors over what i believe to be a form of depression, as i sleep for easily 12+ hours a day, constantly lose weight, have huge trouble concentrating, constantly feel lethargic and crappy, and other stuff...though to talk to me, people comment on me being one of the cheeriest and smiley people they know... 
I'm not talking about emotional depression, i'm talking about 4 hours sleep a night, lack of appetite, unexplained low moods, no motivation, extremely bad concentration, irritability etc.
that's rather similar to what i experience, though i need too much sleep, whereas you can't get enough... the first part of what i said was to dismiss what the people who don't understand depressive illnesses think about them, that they are just a mood state, and that they are just emooo...
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Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases.
treated depression can lead to suicide
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a disorder, not desease, that needs serious treatment
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Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:01 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:58 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
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Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases.
treated depression can lead to suicide
True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go.
its often better than treated
And what information are you drawing from? Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues?
ideally getting 'help' would be better but if the help sucks its often better to just suffer than suffer more
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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:02 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:01 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:58 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 6:57 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases.
treated depression can lead to suicide
True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go.
its often better than treated
And what information are you drawing from? Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues?
ideally getting 'help' would be better but if the help sucks its often better to just suffer than suffer more
Sadly, that is not true. Treatment can be hit and miss. I realize it's not an exact science, however, it is vital that people seek and receive help if they can. Suffering is not the answer and doing nothing will solve nothing. If you cannot help yourself then it's up to your friends and loved ones to do their best to reach out to you. Some situations may seem impossible, but there is always a way to escape. There is always hope. Post edited at 4:08 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 by Fancy Fantasia
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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:55 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
generally considered by pretty much everyone and most of the legitimate medical field. disease has historically applied to physical problems, not emotional problems, but has been twisted into modern 'mental health'
Yes, but why on earth would be stick to norms put in place a long time ago when the health field wasn't fully developed? Autism used to be blamed on poor parenting. New views on mental health have proven to be quite beneficial in several areas.
here are some more definitions: an unhealthy condition in a person, animal, or plant which is caused by bacteria or infection impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism overall, 'disease' refers to a malfunctioning physical part as the cause of the problem, not simply an effect of an emotional change, in which case a changed 'brain' is normal and reflects the person's psychological environment accurately
And yet it remains that not one of those definitions negate the validity of the one I provided. No single one has to be all-inclusive. This is just semantics here, I feel like the disease v. disorder argument is a little of base of the real question anyways.
im not referring to the colloquial definition, im referring to the scientific definition, in the colloquial definition, disease is simply something really bad, like a "disease of society"
Again....semantics. You can argue which definition holds more weight until the end of time and you're still left with the real question, which is "Is depression the result of purely cognitive debilitation, or is there something else going on?"
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Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:06 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:02 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:01 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:58 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 6:57 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases.
treated depression can lead to suicide
True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go.
its often better than treated
And what information are you drawing from? Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues?
ideally getting 'help' would be better but if the help sucks its often better to just suffer than suffer more
Sadly, that is not true. Treatment can be hit and miss. I realize it's not an exact science, however, it is vital that people seek and receive help if they can. Suffering is not the answer and doing nothing will solve nothing. If you cannot help yourself then it's up to your friends and loved ones to do their best, to reach out to you. Some situations may seem impossible, but there is always a way to escape. There is always hope.
in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them
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Yes, but why on earth would be stick to norms put in place a long time ago when the health field wasn't fully developed?
in the realm of real medicine its still the basic definition
Autism used to be blamed on poor parenting. New views on mental health have proven to be quite beneficial in several areas.
yeah they traded one oversimplified definition for another. however, mechanism of autism is up in the air as opposed to 'mental health conditions' because there is actually reason to believe in some kind of developmental sluggishness because it happens from a very young age. its still important to remember that correlation doesnt mean causation though, even in 'genetics', because the way autism comes about could easily be very, very complex
And yet it remains that not one of those definitions negate the validity of the one I provided. No single one has to be all-inclusive.
no its just that those are typically 'scientific definitions' whereas what youre talking about is a colloqual definition and really just means 'problem', which should be used instead especially in some abused field like psychiatry which tries to act like real medicine
"Is depression the result of purely cognitive debilitation, or is there something else going on?"
there is no real evidence otherwise except for indirect correlations that relate to arbitrary labels (which isnt really valid 'evidence'). given that people usually assume that someone has reasons for feeling the way they do as long as its within their comprehension zone and can see some of those reasons, it seems more to point to the fact that people are stupid and lack empathy than that people who are depressed have biological flaws Post edited at 4:18 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 by iconoclast
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Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:10 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:07 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them
There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you.
there is a way out but its probably darker than you could imagine i dont mean suicide Post edited at 4:16 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 by iconoclast
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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:16 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:10 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:07 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them
There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you.
there is a way out but its probably darker than you could imagine i dont mean suicide
Whatever this solution is, I do believe you need to seek professional help now. This comes from someone who suffers from mental illness. You don't wait, you seek help. I cannot reiterate enough times, seek help. Even if you don't believe in it, help is important.
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Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:25 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:16 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:10 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:07 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them
There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you.
there is a way out but its probably darker than you could imagine i dont mean suicide
Whatever this solution is, I do believe you need to seek professional help now. This comes from someone who suffers from mental illness. You don't wait, you seek help. I cannot reiterate enough times, seek help. Even if you don't believe in it, help is important.
i dont have depression any more, i completely obliterated it, but most people dont have the guts to and i did go through a lot of therapy when i was depressed back way back when, but the only thing that could help me was myself Post edited at 4:28 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 by iconoclast
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