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OMG OMG OMG TORTURE OMG TORTURE?!?!?!?!
Replies: 47 — Last Post Dec. 13, 2008 7:03pm by Savren
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Aimforthehead


Love and peace!
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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 12:30 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
And things do never change. I actually made a topic about it once.  
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Hunters and gathers->Agricultural Revolution->Industrial Revolution.

All we do is change.

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That's change in technology and civility, but not humanity itself.

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Aimforthehead


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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 12:33 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
That's change in technology and civility, but not humanity itself.

Humanity is a word without technology and civility.

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medjai



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Your family life was not worse than torture unless you lived in a small cage and had no communication with the outside world, no school, and were regularly tortured (not just beat) by your family.

Being forced to watch someone slice through the center of your penis = more traumatizing than a mean daddy who made you feel bad about yourself

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telomere13


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OMG slavery is such a new thing and America is definetely the only country that's ever done it in modern times right?  

OMG and we aren't like even in a war right now where we could use slave labor.  

OMG OMG OMG let's all freak out and be a bunch of whackjobs!

Really, though, if humanity doesn't change, we might as well argue that slavery is OK to do in the United States because we're not going to be able to completely get rid of it and it was accepted for a long time.

Post edited at 4:33 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 by telomere13

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Except for the simple fact that slavery is a civil matter and not the same as torture in foreign lands.

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medjai



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Torture is also a matter of civil and human rights.

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Quote: from medjai at 7:35 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Torture is also a matter of civil and human rights.

Civil is having to do with one's own nation, not foreign.

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medjai



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What we allow our government to do in foreign lands is still a civil affair, because it's our government doing it. It's our internal law allowing it.

Everyone is entitled to Habeus Corpus, not just citizens. All "people", are you familiar with the founding of this nation?

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Yes I am, and I am saying that Habeus Corpus can be suspended, and those not on our soil are not entitled to our judicial system.

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Any US Military installation is considered US Soil. If for instance, you were born on a military base in Iraq, you'd be considered to have been born on American soil.

Anything our troops DO must fall under the geneva conventions, and the rule of our own law, regardless of where they are they are american soldiers and therefore subject to follow the rules of habeus corpus regardless.

The justice system agrees with me.

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Hey TheLastMagister, guess who is authorising the torture at Gitmo and god knows elsewhere? Guess who can stop that very same torture?

Are these (a) the same or (b) different people?

Extra credit is available if you manage to work out why torture is immoral and largely useless.

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A. and it is immoral, but not useless. Also, again, morals don't work with survival. Morals are a luxury.

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 8:39 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Quote: from medjai at 7:35 pm on Nov. 28, 2008
Torture is also a matter of civil and human rights.

Civil is having to do with one's own nation, not foreign.

That's why we get slaves from Africa, obviously.  Enslaving our own people would just be stupid.  

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Torture, "Get er DONE!"
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