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JennyColada
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How, might I ask, does adoption deal with the one thing that abortion does: the actual unwanted pregnancy?
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Toby Bear
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Pregnancy is a part of womanhood. Whether you couldn't keep your legs closed or someone entered by force, women giving birth is a law of nature. Once a fetus is in existence it's too late to be selfish.
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JennyColada
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Just because something happens in nature doesn't mean that it has to happen to me right at this moment.
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Stormblazer
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Quote: from Toby Bear at 10:55 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
 Pregnancy is a part of womanhood. Whether you couldn't keep your legs closed or someone entered by force, women giving birth is a law of nature. Once a fetus is in existence it's too late to be selfish. 
Taking my post from another thread... Pregnancy can be, but is not neccesarily, part of womanhood, anymore than sex itself is. - Sex can make babies, but it is not reasonable to assume that just having sex results in a pregnancy. The possibility is there, but it is not high enough to make that automatic assumption in every case, and in fact, it is reasonable to assume the reverse in protected cases, and to assume it is impossible in cases of sterility or homosexuality.
- It's not reasonable on our part to assume that people are thinking completely clearly when they have sex. Hormones, pheramones, lust, emotions, etc.
- So should a pregnancy occur, it is not reasonable to expect that they should have anticipated something that was not reasonable to assume. Now, beyond that, I argue primarily against abortion prior to quickening- which includes most of the first trimester, and which is where an abortion can and should take place (medically). Post edited at 12:43 am on Feb. 27, 2008 by Stormblazer
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Stormblazer
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Quote: from Toby Bear at 6:36 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
Obviously you missed my point. Your choice not to believe in something doesn't make it any less real.
Whether or not you believe in something, it's still real and you will still be affected by it.
Religious morals are what pro-choice people use against us. They don't see that it is beyong following rules of the Bible. Killing is killing, and, though, I don't know you or your opinions, I, for one, value all life. Big or small, rich or poor, Christian or atheist, all life has worth.
Well, actually, going by traditional religious morals, abortion really isn't wrong prior to quickening. It's only been considered such relatively recently, within the last two centuries, and that for a mistake.
To take away the life of an unborn infant is as bad as the slaying of an elderly man.
Why? The elderly man is presumably sane, capable of thought, feeling pain, etc. A fetus early in the first trimester is capable of none of those, it doesn't even resemble a human being at all.
What I notice about most pro-choice people is their selfishness. They want 100% control of their body. The women, anyway. The men, are usually uneducated and without moral or respect of human life.
Interestingly enough, I feel that pro-life people are the selfish ones. This isn't just about control of your body. This is about a potential child as well. Most abortions, shockingly enough, are not by teens. Many times, it is mothers who already have children they care for, and they can't, either mentally or financially, support another child. Is it really fair to the existing children, the father (if present, and he often is), or the mother, or even the potential child, to force all of them to suffer for your unjustified morality? To me, THAT is selfish of YOU.
Adoption's not a cure-all either. There's already a oversupply of kids up for adoption- and the fate of those who don't get adopted early isn't pretty. And the mother still must carry the full pregnancy, which can and often does have severe psychology impact. Further, I would rather future generations have a higher quality of life- not lower.
Well, that's my opinion and I was kind enough to share it with you without bashing your views. If you continue to argue about religion, Allie and/or Nicole, I will not feel obligated to assume you are worthy of an educated debate. Good day.
If you don't want your religion attacked, don't use it to justify your claims to those who don't believe in it, and have reasonable justification for that stance.
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Larien
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Quote: from sarah is hot at 7:51 pm on Feb. 27, 2008
Quote: from Glow Worm at 2:49 pm on Feb. 25, 2008
Quote: from sarah is hot at 7:52 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
Im pro choice because if i get pregnant young and am not ready, then i will get rid of it. my theory is that is it doesnt have a heart its not alive
Actually, fetuses develop the heart relatively early in the pregnancy. By the fifth week (just after you'll notice a missed period), the heart is beating.
thats totally wrong. the heart isnt beating until after three months. ive asked many doctors this.
Sara honey, you are wrong. Plain and simple. And I have proof, as I've seen a fetal heart beat coming out of my own body as low as 6 weeks. My friend Jenn is 13 weeks pregnant, her first ultrasound was at 5weeks4 days and they had a heartbeat during that time. Do some research and you'll find that the information you've been provided is incorrect, and unfortunately you can't argue with the fact many of us who've been pregnant have seen the heart beat after 5 weeks.
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Quote: from Stormblazer at 12:55 am on Feb. 27, 2008
Quote: from Toby Bear at 6:36 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
Obviously you missed my point. Your choice not to believe in something doesn't make it any less real.
Whether or not you believe in something, it's still real and you will still be affected by it.
Religious morals are what pro-choice people use against us. They don't see that it is beyong following rules of the Bible. Killing is killing, and, though, I don't know you or your opinions, I, for one, value all life. Big or small, rich or poor, Christian or atheist, all life has worth.
Well, actually, going by traditional religious morals, abortion really isn't wrong prior to quickening. It's only been considered such relatively recently, within the last two centuries, and that for a mistake.
To take away the life of an unborn infant is as bad as the slaying of an elderly man.
Why? The elderly man is presumably sane, capable of thought, feeling pain, etc. A fetus early in the first trimester is capable of none of those, it doesn't even resemble a human being at all.
What I notice about most pro-choice people is their selfishness. They want 100% control of their body. The women, anyway. The men, are usually uneducated and without moral or respect of human life.
Interestingly enough, I feel that pro-life people are the selfish ones. This isn't just about control of your body. This is about a potential child as well. Most abortions, shockingly enough, are not by teens. Many times, it is mothers who already have children they care for, and they can't, either mentally or financially, support another child. Is it really fair to the existing children, the father (if present, and he often is), or the mother, or even the potential child, to force all of them to suffer for your unjustified morality? To me, THAT is selfish of YOU.
Adoption's not a cure-all either. There's already a oversupply of kids up for adoption- and the fate of those who don't get adopted early isn't pretty. And the mother still must carry the full pregnancy, which can and often does have severe psychology impact. Further, I would rather future generations have a higher quality of life- not lower.
Well, that's my opinion and I was kind enough to share it with you without bashing your views. If you continue to argue about religion, Allie and/or Nicole, I will not feel obligated to assume you are worthy of an educated debate. Good day.
If you don't want your religion attacked, don't use it to justify your claims to those who don't believe in it, and have reasonable justification for that stance.
That was a very educated and fair argument. Though my views aren't changed, you have my respect.
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anonymous57
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i consider myself pro-life, but not really with the opening definition
i feel that that if someone is raped, the mother is in danger, the child is not likely to survive, or the mother is mentally challenged or severely autistic then abortion is acceptable
i see it as a way to salvage what people in have in bad situations of a life,
i personally wouldn't get an abortion and won't judge someone who does.
i can't sit around telling other people what is right and wrong for them. i really can't stand people who do.
if you are totally against abortion, put yourself in an extreme situation and tell that you could still be pro-life
i guess i am kind of pro-choice
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