Anyway, I'm out. Later!

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-No God No Peace Know God Know Peace-
- Italy - France - Spain -- World Youth Day 2011

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Quote: from islandgirl at 4:04 am on April 22, 2009

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I don't understand how in one breath you can say how a fetus is ALIVE and HUMAN and A LIFE and show mangled body parts and then say "well, it's OK if the woman was raped"

I'm prochoice in any situation, but this seems really hypocritical.

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What's even more hypocritical is that there have been many murders and abortion clinic bombings from the pro-life crowd.
Yay for life!

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Saying this I would never have an abortion unless   my life were in danger.

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Artemis' mummy on 16th May 2009, baby no.2 due 2nd March

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I'm pro choice, cause I think there should be a choice.
But I think it should be more harshly regualated.

Saying this I would never have an abortion unless my life were in danger.

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I agree it should be regulated. I think if people are going to get an abortion they should only be allowed to do it before the end of embryogenesis (approx 10 weeks). That should give a person more than enough time to figure out if they would like to terminate the pregnancy or not.

I had my son at 23 (nearly 24 weeks), sadly he died but he was a real child. 10 perfect tows and fingers,  perfect body, eye lashes.
At that stage it really is murder.

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~!~ Patience Proud Mummy ~!~
Artemis' mummy on 16th May 2009, baby no.2 due 2nd March

Still a real child by your definition.

So yeah, it's the same at eight weeks :/

Post edited at 3:33 pm on April 22, 2009 by mikeyb

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Post edited at 3:41 pm on April 22, 2009 by Trendz

You have to remember, babies don't all develop at the same stage, but eight weeks is when this starts to usually happen. But, lets throw that aside, it's a useless and nearly irrelevant point for what I am about to state.

Ten weeks [or slightly earlier >.>] is when a baby is a "person" according to SugarSweet; therefore, even a ten week abortion is "murder" in her eyes.

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-No God No Peace Know God Know Peace-
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I don't agree with abortion being murder anyway so, moving along :P

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"Week 7 (43-49 days from fertilization)
The embryo measures 18 mm (3/4 inch) in length.
Nipples and hair follicles begin to form.
Location of the elbows and toes are visible.
Spontaneous limb movements may be detected by ultrasound.
All essential organs have at least begun formation."

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Week 8 (7th week of development)
Embryo measures 30 mm (1.2 inches) in length.
Intestines rotate.
Facial features continue to develop.
the eyelids are more developed.
the external features of the ear begin to take their final shape.

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Weeks 9 to 12 (8th to 11th week of development)
The fetus reaches a length of 8 cm (3.2 inches).
The head comprises nearly half of the fetus' size.
The face is well formed
The eyelids close and will not reopen until about the 28th week.
Tooth buds, which will form the baby teeth, appear.
The limbs are long and thin.
The fetus can make a fist with its fingers.
Genitals appear well differentiated.
Red blood cells are produced in the liver.

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Interesting..

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Week 23 (22nd week of development)
The fetus reaches a length of 28 cm (11.2 inches).
The fetus weighs about 725 g (1 lb 10 oz).
Eyebrows and eyelashes are well formed.
All of the eye components are developed.
The fetus has a hand and startle reflex.
Footprints and fingerprints continue forming.
Alveoli (air sacs) are forming in lungs.

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And that is all which has happened after five weeks, not much, so I do not think it turned into a person there. Therefore, it was a person at least five weeks earlier, when previous transformations happened.

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-No God No Peace Know God Know Peace-
- Italy - France - Spain -- World Youth Day 2011

And at that point I think it should be too late to terminate the pregnancy.
Even 8 weeks is enough time to think about it to me, but there's no harm in adding the last 2 weeks of embryogenesis.

before this, no neurons have formed connections in the brain. the fetus cannot think, feel, or anything.

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too many legs under the table
too many reasons for trouble