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Quote: from FurryPanther at 12:03 am on June 7, 2008

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Can anyone explain to me how you can justify murder for the convenience of the mother?  

 FP

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Self defence. Pregnancy and birth complications can be just as life threatening as a mugger with a knife, you know.

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Foreseeable complications that threaten the mother are very rare.

FP

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To the waters and the wild
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Quote: from Glow Worm at 7:20 pm on June 7, 2008

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 12:03 am on June 7, 2008

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Can anyone explain to me how you can justify murder for the convenience of the mother?  

  FP

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 Self defence. Pregnancy and birth complications can be just as life threatening as a mugger with a knife, you know.

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Foreseeable complications that threaten the mother are very rare.

FP

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Yes, but in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms you are guaranteed the right to life, liberty and security of person. I believe, and the Supreme Court of Canada backs me up on this one, that "life" includes not having to put yourself through a situation that could harm or kill you (however rarely), "liberty" refers to being able to not only choose what's best for you but also be able to move and work freely (something many pregnant women can't do), and "security of person" means that you have the legal right to feel safe and good about yourself, your body, your property and your responsibilities. Unwanted pregnancy doesn't really fit in with any of those, and that's why a woman can choose.

It used to be that it was a group of men on a board at a hospital that would decide whether or not a woman "needs" an abortion. That doesn't really fit with life, liberty and security of person either. And if you're going to whip out the "fetuses have the right to life, liberty and security of person too" argument, don't bother. The Supreme Court of Canada also ruled that fetuses are not included in the law as human beings (although I know arguing about what a fetus is if it's not human is one of your personal favourites), and thus can't be killed, seeing as homicide refers to "one human being killing another human being".

If you ever get pregnant, Jordan, you have every right to decide to give the baby up for adoption if you so choose. But, if the situation arose and you decided that what was best was to abort, you may also do that. That's guaranteed to everyone.

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fuck abortion the baby didn't do anything any body who gets and abortion should die  

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Oh yes. That's not hypocritical of you at all.

Well, I'm glad at least you don't foolishly consider yourself "pro-life", since you are clearly not.

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I would rather know that I let my child live a good life than live with knowing I had some doctor crush its skull, yank it out, and toss it in the garbage. If I wasn't ready to have a child I wouldn't feel guilty about giving him/her away to someone who is ready.

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Well that's nice for you, but what about the rest of us? What about women who would feel guilty about giving him or her away? Just because you feel that you could go full term with a pregnancy you didn't want, that doesn't mean we all could, and no one should have to go through with something that life altering if they don't want to.

If you ever become accidentally pregnant, then you have every right to give that baby up for adoption if you so choose. But when other women, who are not you, who do not share the same values and beliefs that you do, become unexpectedly pregnant, then they have (and should have) other options than just what's right for you.

What's right for you isn't right for everyone, and what's right for me isn't right for everyone, which is why people have choices. To claim that every woman should feel the same about a particular issue is ludicrous. You can't possibly know what another woman is thinking or feeling, or what she may be going through, or what she may go through is she continues with the pregnancy. It's an individual experience, and thus it should be an individual's choice.  

It's all fine and dandy for you to say they should be pregnant for ten months and then just pop the child out and give it away, but you are not the one that has to live with the consequences of doing so, and thus you are not the one who should be making the choice.

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So. pro-life.

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Ok, thanks for the insight, but that was just my opinion.
Not once did I say "every woman should..."
And you're only pregnant for nine months, btw.

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You think that people shouldn't have abortions, which means that they either keep the baby or give it up for adoption, as you're so sure you would.

And pregnancy is 40 weeks, which is ten months. Most people say it's nine months because they don't count the first four weeks, since most women don't know they're pregnant during that time.

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And pregnancy is 40 weeks, which is ten months. Most people say it's nine months because they don't count the first four weeks, since most women don't know they're pregnant during that time.

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Post edited at 4:23 pm on June 16, 2008 by JennyColada

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Quote: from Glow Worm at 12:25 pm on June 16, 2008

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And pregnancy is 40 weeks, which is ten months. Most people say it's nine months because they don't count the first four weeks, since most women don't know they're pregnant during that time.

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Well, actually, each month does not consist of exactly 4 weeks. If you do the math, it is about 9 months.

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Ahh well. I always wondered about the math behind that one.

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Come rest your beautiful heart ♥
 
Forever suddenly seems a lot shorter,
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