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Quote: from xiheartyoux at 8:51 pm on Oct. 30, 2005

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It is officially unconstitutional to ban abortion because it violates a womans personal right to freedom of choice. Abortion is a good thing under certain circumstances.

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Abortion is illegal here. Under all circumstances. It works out grand. Seems to me that once a society gets used to something being legal then people get more lax about the issue, "if it's legal then it must be okay". Over here it's illegal and an alarmingly high percentage of people are Pro-Life; "it's obviously wrong, why else would it be illegal?".

Anyway, point in hand: Women over here survive perfectly fine without abortion, and in no way are any of their fundamental human rights being infringed upon.

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You have to realize that ireland is WAYYYY smaller than the US as a whole. It is much easier to govern a small group of people. Ireland also,most likely, doesn't have nearly as much rape cases. They also, most likely, have a much smaller divorce rate and birth rate.

Now I am saying all this because it seems as though it would be true,I do not have any factual evidence to support my claims.

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Quote: from xiheartyoux at 8:51 pm on Oct. 30, 2005

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It is officially unconstitutional to ban abortion because it violates a womans personal right to freedom of choice. Abortion is a good thing under certain circumstances.

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Abortion is illegal here. Under all circumstances. It works out grand. Seems to me that once a society gets used to something being legal then people get more lax about the issue, "if it's legal then it must be okay". Over here it's illegal and an alarmingly high percentage of people are Pro-Life; "it's obviously wrong, why else would it be illegal?".  

Anyway, point in hand: Women over here survive perfectly fine without abortion, and in no way are any of their fundamental human rights being infringed upon.

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(Edited by samantha123 at 7:24 pm on Nov. 1, 2005)

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Sincerely...              Samantha :)

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hey, i think it should be your choice if you want to have an abortion.  as long as im not watching it.

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I don't think women should get a choice. I think they should have to have an abortion if the government says so. This way there can be a committee decide if someone should have to have an abortion. The more abortions the lower the population and the more resources for everyone else.

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if you've been raped its not the babies fault dont kill it.

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Quote: from ZERO AE at 9:39 am on Oct. 31, 2005

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hey, i think it should be your choice if you want to have an abortion.  as long as im not watching it.

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I don't think women should get a choice. I think they should have to have an abortion if the government says so. This way there can be a committee decide if someone should have to have an abortion. The more abortions the lower the population and the more resources for everyone else.

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Out of curiousity, do you think that decisions pertaining to your body should be made by a committee, or does this only apply to women?

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I'm a bit of both, I guess.  I support abortion when the woman has been raped or going through with the pregnancy would kill her.  Otherwise I am pro life.

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Quote: from Teneille at 6:55 pm on Oct. 30, 2005

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Quote: from Energizer Rabit at 3:23 pm on Oct. 30, 2005

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Quote: from Teneille at 8:35 pm on Oct. 28, 2005

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Quote: from Energizer Rabit at 4:59 pm on Oct. 27, 2005

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People do have a choice. If they don't want to have a child they shouldn't have sex.      
    

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   When people say things like the above quote, it makes me think that they dont quite grasp the situation.  I could be wrong, however, but the reason 'if you dont want a child, dont have sex' is, to put it rather bluntly, stupid.    

   Sex is something that all species do, in one way or another, and something that has always been done.    
   Because it is part of life, it has become a general necessity for the majority of the population.  It is only human-invented beliefs that stop people having sex in the streets.    

   It is part of human nature to want sex.    

   But in humans, the reasons for people having sex has evolved.  It is no longer something that needs to be done to keep the population thriving.  It is something that is done, to keep relationships alive, something that is done for money..There are all kinds of reasons why people have sex in this day and age, and having sex to have a child doesnt appear to be the main reason.    

   Also, when people mention things like birth control should be used when people have sex.  Well of course it SHOULD be used.  But whether it IS used or not, it still isnt 100% effective.  And if it is used, and it fails, are the pro-lifers willing to let someone who obviously doesnt want a baby, have one anyway?    

   Also, when someone is pro-life, do they say that based on what THEY would do, or what is best for the general population of woman who are pregnant and dont want to be?  Do they realise that from the minute of conception, the baby is unwanted? Do they KNOW themselves what it is like to feel UNWANTED?    

   This is my opinion, and as always, I reserve the right to change it, but it would have to take something pretty big to do that.

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  So people don't have a choice of wether or not they should have sex?

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 You didn't read what I said.  There are words in there, like "general" and "majority".  This means that certain things were taken into account.  E.g. Religious beliefs.  There is always going to be abstinence, but this isnt about Nuns and people who have had terrible experiences with sex.  It is (the statement I made) about the general population of those who are old enough to be able to have sex and actually want it.  (So that means, in my opinion, those who want the closeness of another human being in a way that sex provides (for whatever reason), those who have been through puberty and understand what is going on).  

 Analyze this is you want, pull it to pieces if you feel the need, but right now I dont care for that.  I think the general idea is pretty obvious.

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You didn't answer my question. Do people, or do people not have the choice to have sex? Because if it isn't a choice, and we can't choose wether we have sex or not, then the whole idea of rape is either completely out the window, or it happens everytime anyone has sex. Take your pick.

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I DID answer your question.  But still you show no capacity for being able to read.  You are taking this on the principle that you can either choose to have sex or not choose to have sex.

And right here, I back up my claim that you can't read (or, actually, understand) a single word said-

To have sex is something that is biologically built in to all of us.  Some people take abstinance to extreme measures by remaining virgins their entire lives.  An example would be a nun, right?

But that is something they consciously do, to remain free from temptation, they hide away.

The majority of the population however, are not nuns.  And because the ultimate reason for people having sexual organs in the first place was to ensure the survival of the species, people have a natural instinct for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

Is this making sense?

So basically everyone is born to have sex, but societies' view has changed, therefore the reasons WHY people have sex have changed (for the most part).

And now sex is often about keeping a relationship alive, showing love for another person, lots of reasons.

And if the reasons people have sex have changed (and no, I'm not talking about those who specifically have sex to have a child) then that means it has become acceptable to have sex without expecting a child to be produced.

AND if an unwanted child is produced, then there becomes a problem.

So.  For people like yourself who are stuck somewhere between caveman times and today, I feel in my own opinion that you are looking at this on such a superficial level.

But I already basically said that in a previous post.  Blah.  Do you get it now?
Religion plays a major part in the idea that abortions should be declared illegal, as well.

So, tell me better reasons then the absolutely waste-of-my-time idea that you shouldnt have sex if you dont want a baby.  Maybe actually do some thinking on the subject first.  That could be an idea!

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It's only the beautiful birds that get caged.

I DID answer your question.  But still you show no capacity for being able to read.  You are taking this on the principle that you can either choose to have sex or not choose to have sex.

And right here, I back up my claim that you can't read (or, actually, understand) a single word said-

To have sex is something that is biologically built in to all of us.  Some people take abstinance to extreme measures by remaining virgins their entire lives.  An example would be a nun, right?

But that is something they consciously do, to remain free from temptation, they hide away.

The majority of the population however, are not nuns.  And because the ultimate reason for people having sexual organs in the first place was to ensure the survival of the species, people have a natural instinct for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

Is this making sense?

So basically everyone is born to have sex, but societies' view has changed, therefore the reasons WHY people have sex have changed (for the most part).

And now sex is often about keeping a relationship alive, showing love for another person, lots of reasons.

And if the reasons people have sex have changed (and no, I'm not talking about those who specifically have sex to have a child) then that means it has become acceptable to have sex without expecting a child to be produced.

AND if an unwanted child is produced, then there becomes a problem.

So.  For people like yourself who are stuck somewhere between caveman times and today, I feel in my own opinion that you are looking at this on such a superficial level.

But I already basically said that in a previous post.  Blah.  Do you get it now?
Religion plays a major part in the idea that abortions should be declared illegal, as well.

So, tell me better reasons then the absolutely waste-of-my-time idea that you shouldnt have sex if you dont want a baby.  Maybe actually do some thinking on the subject first.  That could be an idea!

You are still avoiding my question. But you still have answered it by your comments that some people become nuns, and don't have sex at all there entire live.

2nd your logic is flawed. You use biology to describe the reason why someone has no choice in who/when/if they have sex. And yet you use society to describe why they have sex. Do you realize that your arguements cancel each other out?

First off, sexual organs are ment to be used to create a baby. The sex is just the process of those organs combining in order to create the baby.

Society is what changes the issue, you are correct. And you are correct about the change of the role of sex. That is why people should be more responsible, and should take responsibility for their action. They shouldn't be having sex with someone they wouldn't stay with in the event that they get pregnant, and they shouldn't be having sex if they aren't not ready to have the baby if they do get pregnant.

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Post edited at 5:23 pm on Jan. 9, 2008 by Tdayr