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( The Persuader )


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Okay,so today I had a second case of a novice getting banned because of advertising and it got me thinking. These members are new and hardly know about the site. We can't expect them to read the FAQ on the day they join. Instead of banning them,the moderators can just explain it to them,right? What do you think? It's unfair to ban them when they don't know anything.
You get the point,right?

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We do that whenever possible. we offer them a chance to read the advertising guidelines and abide by them. they rarely take the opportunity.

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Once an advertiser, always an advertiser.

I mean thats most likely the REASON they joined.

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Most of these are usually bots, or people who want to advertise and don't give a crap about the guidelines on this site. 9 times out of 10 they'll post the topic, leave and never come back if they're banned. If not, they might come back every so often and post the same sort of topic.

I think we tried something like this, or at least it was proposed. I didn't agree with the idea because I honestly don't think it will make a difference most of the time. Do you know how I know? Because most of the time no MER is found, and no further account is created. Those members that are sorry and didn't intend on it being like that, will file a MER or will contact a moderator, and those accounts are pardoned anyway.

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Nine times out of ten an advertiser WILL only be intrested in the site FOR advertising.

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Quote: from The Persuader at 12:56 pm on July 1, 2009

These members are new and hardly know about the site. We can't expect them to read the FAQ on the day they join.
we can expect them to read the terms of use, though.

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    I think most that do advertise only sign up to do so. I mean when i first joined i was acused of advertising even though i wasent, my topic was deleted and i was given an informal warning but not banned so there for the people do get some sort of a chance i imagine.

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    Quote: from marshmellowman at 3:00 pm on July 1, 2009

    Most of these are usually bots

    i think this is important to stress. they aren't even real people. they will not listen if we ask them to read our terms of use and then comply.

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    This was discussed at length. I will be getting permission from Jesse and other mods to move that topic to SL dicussion from the mod forum so you can see our stance, I don't know if other people would like that so I make no promises.

    I think it would be good for you all to see.

    @carie: What about my moneymom example?

    Post edited at 10:32 am on July 5, 2009 by Wolf


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    I prefer the way we do things now.

    The real people and those who might care about advertising correctly have submitted MERs in the past, and been pardoned.

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    Quote: from Spice at 1:39 pm on July 5, 2009

    I prefer the way we do things now.  

    The real people and those who might care about advertising correctly have submitted MERs in the past, and been pardoned.


    My mod topic basically gave the precedent of "do as you will" so "the way that we do it now" doesn't exist.  There is nothing standardized.  You are not forced to informally warn them, and I am not forced to immediately ban them. I will informally warn anyone who makes an advert topic, because chances are they won't show up again. But people who do the cash crate referral crap will try to get the most from advertising and are generally real people just trying to do online business. So yes, I feel it necessary to inform them of our guidelines before I ban them. Generally I will do Informal > Ban.  But not those foreign PM spammers.  Those go instantly :/

    Post edited at 10:43 am on July 5, 2009 by Wolf


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    Quote: from W0lf at 6:42 pm on July 5, 2009

    Quote: from Spice at 1:39 pm on July 5, 2009

    I prefer the way we do things now.

     The real people and those who might care about advertising correctly have submitted MERs in the past, and been pardoned.


    My mod topic basically gave the precedent of "do as you will" I will informally warn anyone who makes an advert topic, because chances are they won't show up again. But people who do the cash crate referral crap will try to get the most from advertising and are generally real people just trying to do online business. So yes, I feel it necessary to inform them of our guidelines before I ban them. Generally I will do Informal > Ban.


    I'll continue banning bots :)

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    Quote: from W0lf at 12:32 pm on July 5, 2009

    @carie:  What about my moneymom example?

    did you read my first post?

    I said that we give people the chance to read the guidelines and follow them.

    I have messaged advertisers the ad guidelines, and talked to them, and given them chances. I have also banned a boatload of bots and other ad spammers.



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    Quote: from Spice at 1:43 pm on July 5, 2009

    Quote: from W0lf at 6:42 pm on July 5, 2009

    Quote: from Spice at 1:39 pm on July 5, 2009

    I prefer the way we do things now.  

    The real people and those who might care about advertising correctly have submitted MERs in the past, and been pardoned.


    My mod topic basically gave the precedent of "do as you will" I will informally warn anyone who makes an advert topic, because chances are they won't show up again. But people who do the cash crate referral crap will try to get the most from advertising and are generally real people just trying to do online business. So yes, I feel it necessary to inform them of our guidelines before I ban them. Generally I will do Informal > Ban.


     

    I'll continue banning bots :)


    I'll continue not banning "bots" because I know that there is not always a certain way to know 100%. I will take it on a case by case basis.

    Did you know: If a "bot" posts one advert topic and never logs in again then it is a lot of wasted motion to ban them?

    @carie: woopsies you're right

    Post edited at 10:50 am on July 5, 2009 by Wolf


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    a lot of wasted motion? righhtttttt. it what two seconds to type us DoSS and one click from someone else =\

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