1) The NY Times should not give lessons on journalistic integrity because it does not hold the same moral high ground it preaches.

-- My gut reaction was that this was "Ad hominem" but the more I look at it, it seems more "Genetic fallacy". But I'm not sure.

2) The NY Times should not give lessons on journalistic integrity because if they had been the first to release the story it would have been touted all over.

-- Gut reaction was "Red Herring" but could it be "Ad hominem"?

Post edited at 6:04 pm on June 30, 2009 by Lewdness

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I don't think either of those qualify as ad hominem. Insults, personal attacks, etc are ad hominem, it's where you are attacking the person/origin of the argument rather than anything regarding the argument itself.

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Well, I thought 1 was ad hominem because it is something of a personal attack. They're attacking NYT's personal ethics... but I mean, it's a newspaper not a human which is why I'm confused. The same can be said for 2.

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