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Gilgamesh.
Better than your bible story.
Replies: 26 — Last Post July 6 7:39am by exceedinglyrare
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How, how could you bring about a Flood without consideration
Charge the violation to the violator,
charge the offense to the offender,
but be compassionate lest (mankind) be cut off,
be patient lest they be killed.
Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
would that a lion had appeared to diminish the people!
Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
would that a wolf had appeared to diminish the people!
Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
would that famine had occurred to slay the land!
Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
would that (Pestilent) Erra had appeared to ravage the land!
It was not I who revealed the secret of the Great Gods,
I (only) made a dream appear to Atrahasis, and (thus) he
                 heard the secret of the gods.

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GIRUGAMESH.

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There is a boxthorn, that when grabbed will prick you like a rose, but on being pricked, you'll return to your youth. It is a plant against decay.


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wonderful.
LOVE it.

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It is the Shumer's bible. It was one of my favorite stories in  Religious Education class.

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It's from the Epic of Gilgamesh, tablet XI (11 for retards), not the Schumer's Bible.

The Epic of Gilgamesh is an Akkadian epic poem, it is older than the Bible and in fact is one of the most ancient texts known to man.

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In fact many argue that much from the texts of this Akkadian poem was blatantly stolen and used in the Old Testament, which was written long after the epic of Gilgamesh and had very similar stories.

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The bible was also told at first as epic stories... Akkadian poems where written first and they are considered as Schumers religious stories just like the bible for Jews and Christians.

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The  Akkadian poems were not meant to be part of the Jewish or Christian theology.

Yes, the Old Testament did directly plagiarize stories from the epic of Gilgamesh though, such as Noah's Arc (which is where my quote came from).

I'm not familiar with Schumer's Bible or why you're giving "Schumer" credit for Akkadian epics but it could be that I'm missunderstanding what this "bible" represents.

I think you are trying to claim that these stories were schumers but that this was just "written down first" but really your stories are one and the same? That's a convenient way to ignore that this epic massively predates anything ever taken down as record in your religion's history.

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I am just trying to say that it is Shumer's and that it is more ancient and Jewish bible took a lot from these epic poems.

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Can you give me a link to the history of the schumer bible because I'm having trouble finding it on google and I'm interested

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I can't find it too... I studied it at school...

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Quote: from medjai at 6:54 am on July 1, 2009
In fact many argue that much from the texts of this Akkadian poem was blatantly stolen and used in the Old Testament, which was written long after the epic of Gilgamesh and had very similar stories.

I don't know if I'd agree with the blatant stealing...it's far more plausible to me that there was an enormous flood in Mesopotamia and various civilizations came up with similar stories to explain what happened.

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It stole the story of the Arc. I can understand "flood stories" but a lone man who was basically inspired by "god" to build a big ass boat and put his family and all the animals on it.

I agree with you, the story itself stemmed from a huge flood that's known to have happened but the fable of the arc etc was stolen from gilgamesh.

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Quote: from medjai at 5:03 pm on July 5, 2009
It stole the story of the Arc. I can understand "flood stories" but a lone man who was basically inspired by "god" to build a big ass boat and put his family and all the animals on it.

I agree with you, the story itself stemmed from a huge flood that's known to have happened but the fable of the arc etc was stolen from gilgamesh.

It's possible, but it's also possible that the story originated from the people group from which both civilizations were descended, and the Hebrews just had the bad luck of coming up with writing second out of the two.

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