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Three and a half questions to Judeo-Christians.
Creationists can answer too.
Replies: 41Last Post July 6 6:31pm by exceedinglyrare
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Now for the record, I'm not implying that all creationists think this way. This is for the ones that do.

1.
Why is the idea of the universe happening at random, which may have been the result of multiple big bangs occurring until something was formed by chance, so much harder to believe than the idea of an omnipotent being creating said universe, plus Heaven and Hell?
Even though that god is so much greater than the universe?

2.
Why is the idea of your god so much more plausible than the idea of any other of the hundreds of gods and religious figures?

3.
Why can't your feelings and your faith just be subjective and imaginary?
3.A
Why are they any different than the feelings of members of other religions?  

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let me think for a minute  i'll get back to u

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Quote: from dilly62301 at 6:08 am on July 3, 2009

let me think for a minute i'll get back to u

Fair enough.

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My mom said:

1 because I can feel god in my heart so I know that's what the case is.2 all the other religions were made by humans while Christians follow the only one really created by god. 3 Because I just know its true.

That's the best I could get out of her.

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Quote: from HarrySunderland at 6:39 am on July 3, 2009

My mom said:

1 because I can feel god in my heart so I know that's what the case is.2 all the other religions were made by humans while Christians follow the only one really created by god. 3 Because I just know its true.

That's the best I could get out of her.


Oh, to be Christian and naive again.
You must have the worst time with your mumsie.

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Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 12:06 pm on July 3, 2009

Quote: from HarrySunderland at 6:39 am on July 3, 2009

My mom said:  

 1 because I can feel god in my heart so I know that's what the case is.2 all the other religions were made by humans while Christians follow the only one really created by god. 3 Because I just know its true.  

 That's the best I could get out of her.


Oh, to be Christian and naive again.  
You must have the worst time with your mumsie.


Actually she doesn't give a shit what I believe,  I could walk around reading a satanic bible and she wouldn't blink an eye.  I do however have to pretend I'm a good Sunday school boy when I'm around the rest of the family or I will get all hell from her because they bitch at her about it.

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Point that (a) that was three questions and (b) not all "(Judeo)Christians" are creationists. Actually, at this point, I'd say that the vast majority in the world aren't creationists.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 10:46 am on July 3, 2009

Point that (a) that was three questions and (b) not all "(Judeo)Christians" are creationists. Actually, at this point, I'd say that the vast majority in the world aren't creationists.

(a)  
Wow. Hahahahahaahah! Wow, that was stupid of me. I made that title first, then thought up the last question 1/2 later.  

(b)  
While that's true that a Judeo-Christians are creationists, creationists are not Judeo-Christians. Just as how white is a race but race isn't white.  

Which is why I said "creationists in general". I wont edit my post until you see it for yourself, just so you know I'm not lying or anything.

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So do you have any answers to my questions?

Post edited at 10:58 am on July 3, 2009 by StraitjacketJunky

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Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 12:57 pm on July 3, 2009

While that's true that a Judeo-Christians are creationists, creationists are not Judeo-Christians. Just as how white is a race but race isn't white.
That doesn't make any sense to me. All Judeo-Christians are NOT creationists any more than all creationists are Judeo-Christians.

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Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 1:57 pm on July 3, 2009

Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 10:46 am on July 3, 2009

Point that (a) that was three questions and (b) not all "(Judeo)Christians" are creationists. Actually, at this point, I'd say that the vast majority in the world aren't creationists.

(a)
Wow. Hahahahahaahah! Wow, that was stupid of me. I made that title first, then thought up the last question 1/2 later.

(b)
While that's true that a Judeo-Christians are creationists, creationists are not Judeo-Christians. Just as how white is a race but race isn't white.

Which is why I said "creationists in general". I wont edit my post until you see it for yourself, just so you know I'm not lying or anything.

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So do you have any answers to my questions?


You completely missed what I was saying. Not all people who call themselves Christians or follow any of the Abrahamic religions are creationists. I'd wager that the vast majority are not, so your questions are based on an unfounded assumption.

To answer your questions:

1. It isn't. I simply don't believe that way.

2. It isn't. I simply don't believe that way.

3. They could. I simply don't believe that they are.
3a. They aren't. I simply don't believe that they are.

Your questions are, honestly, a bit silly.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:30 am on July 3, 2009

You completely missed what I was saying. Not all people who call themselves Christians or follow any of the Abrahamic religions are creationists. I'd wager that the vast majority are not, so your questions are based on an unfounded assumption.

Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 6:06 am on July 3, 2009

... or creationists in general.

... Now for the record, I'm not implying that all creationists think this way. This is for the ones that do.  



To answer your questions:
1. It isn't. I simply don't believe that way.
2. It isn't. I simply don't believe that way.
3. They could. I simply don't believe that they are.
3a. They aren't. I simply don't believe that they are.

Your questions are, honestly, a bit silly.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
1. You admit that your God is at least as plausible as the big bang, or the universe being formed by random events...
2. You admit that your god is as plausible as any other...
3. You admit that your feelings could just be subjective...
3a. And you admit that they are no different than the subjective feelings of other religious people.

So what makes your religion so special? You've given no reason other than the ol' "cause I think so". There must be more to it than that.

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Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 3:09 pm on July 3, 2009

So what makes your religion so special? You've given no reason other than the ol' "cause I think so". There must be more to it than that.

Why does there have to be more to it?  A religion based on blind faith doesn't warrant more reason.

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Quote: from jamesish at 2:36 pm on July 3, 2009

Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 3:09 pm on July 3, 2009

So what makes your religion so special? You've given no reason other than the ol' "cause I think so". There must be more to it than that.

Why does there have to be more to it? A religion based on blind faith doesn't warrant more reason.


Why do you say "blind" faith? Is that the same as "love is blind"?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:43 pm on July 3, 2009

Quote: from jamesish at 2:36 pm on July 3, 2009

Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 3:09 pm on July 3, 2009

So what makes your religion so special? You've given no reason other than the ol' "cause I think so". There must be more to it than that.

Why does there have to be more to it? A religion based on blind faith doesn't warrant more reason.


Why do you say "blind" faith? Is that the same as "love is blind"?

Is just "faith" better? Now that I think about it more, I guess it's not really blind. Blind would be without reason. But I'd imagine some people who are religious do have a "blind" approach to their specific religion. Maybe they believe just because their parents did so they don't ask any questions.

Edit:  I might be changing the definition of "blind faith."  I'm not sure.

Post edited at 12:52 pm on July 3, 2009 by jamesish

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:43 pm on July 3, 2009

Why do you say "blind" faith? Is that the same as "love is blind"?

Love is a good thing, but just because blindness is associated with it doesn't make blindness good. I think one can refer to this as a reverse ad hominem in informal fallacy. I don't know, though.

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