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Charolastra

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Quote: from hithere at 11:25 pm on July 5, 2009

while the amount of flaming does
I think the discrepancy here is within the SL action itself rather than anonymity. Some people view SL action against posts as detrimental, I know I somewhat do. There are clear cut instances where SLs removing posts helps to speed up the deletion process, especially in the Supportive forums when people post stuff like: "tl;dr".

And then there's cases when some SLs remove posts for the sole reason that it offends them or have a vendetta against someone. I've seen these instances and it's often gross to witness.

So the idea behind having your username visible when you move a topic or delete a reply is so that the user who feels that their content is being deleted unfairly can report the post and have someone actually qualified evaluate it (like a moderator). People feel this will increase accountability, so that the user can bring it up in MER if there's harassment attributed to the action.

If it were anonymous, the user would have no way to judge, it would be unaccountable unless a mod sees it.

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Quote: from hithere at 4:25 am on July 6, 2009

i'm not a pussy so i have no problem ignoring flames but i agree that there would be no harm in making actions anonymous as long as there's an obvious link in the message that goes to MER or M2M

most people making arguments against the OP here seem to me to be doing so because they are somewhat morally opposed to the idea of somebody "hiding"...which doesn't really have anything to do with the established ideals of the site, while the amount of flaming does

if somebody actually cares about their post being re-added, they will certainly click a link to make an MER or a topic in M2M


as a team, we're generally striving to open levels of communication, not close them. I find PM a better way to discuss putting a post back, personally. And have put a couple back before now, even before I was a moderator I recognised I had in fact made the mistake and assured the user that I would get a mod to put it back, and why I was in error. The post was put back.

If you're moderating, you should put up with what comes with it, if you make a mistake or a user wishes to defend themselves, then this should be quick and easy for them.

We're meant to be a community, not a bunch of anonymous moderators who can hide and just ignore it, because no-one knows where the actions are coming from.

I see this doing more harm than good, and I don't think it should be a feature even considered for implementing.

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edit:response to charolastra

alright i understand what you're saying.

but in my opinion, evaluating the validity of a post removal based on the reason for which one believes the SL removed the post instead of on the reason that the SL gave for removing the post is terrible moderation. in order to have a post re-added, the member whose post was removed must argue that his/her post did not break the guideline that the SL said the post broke, regardless of the personal reason(s) for which the SL removed the post

and yeah, i'm pretty sure mods do review SL post removals, just as they review mod post removals. but maybe i'm also assuming that there are less cases of SL power abuse brought up by non-mods than there really are...

Post edited at 12:09 am on July 6, 2009 by hithere


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Quote: from Spice at 12:07 am on July 6, 2009

as a team, we're generally striving to open levels of communication, not close them. I find PM a better way to discuss putting a post back, personally. And have put a couple back before now, even before I was a moderator I recognised I had in fact made the mistake and assured the user that I would get a mod to put it back, and why I was in error. The post was put back.  

If you're moderating, you should put up with what comes with it, if you make a mistake or a user wishes to defend themselves, then this should be quick and easy for them.  

We're meant to be a community, not a bunch of anonymous moderators who can hide and just ignore it, because no-one knows where the actions are coming from.  

I see this doing more harm than good, and I don't think it should be a feature even considered for implementing.


yes, i fully understood, before i made my first post in this topic, that you and the mod team have the personal opinion that the site is best when it has communication that is the most open and the least anonymous, and that you and the mod team have other personal opinions about how the site "should" be, but thankfully davjs has not given me nor the site itself the responsibility of holding the same personal opinions that you and the mod team have about how the site is coded

i mean go ahead and post your opinions in this topic, but don't quote me without acknowledging the validity of my opinions, because my opinions are just as valid as yours on this specific issue

Post edited at 12:55 am on July 6, 2009 by hithere


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But it's how it currently is right now =\

I never said your opinions are not valid. Jesus

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I wouldn't necessarily call it power abuse by SLs either. Sometimes it's just incompetence: "this seems bad, let's remove it" mentality. Other times it actually is though and it's sad to witness.

In any case, to the OP, I think it's probably a good idea not to internalize a member's frustrations on yourself. Eliminating arrogance and explaining reasonably to the member I feel would best alleviate the situation and if they're still persistent then this is borderline harassment and should be reported. By reporting them, you'd be making sure a mod takes knowledge of it for future reference.

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The member 2 moderator forum can be best used for other things. Why fill it up with a bunch of spam asking why some topics got removed. It's just easier for the mods imo.

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you shouldn't let it get to you. if you removed it 100 percent of the time it's for a purpose. the person should understand that, and if they don't, file a complaint or just get over it

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Well we are all entitled to our opinions and to make suggestions. I wasn't making this topic in hopes of changing people's minds and saying this is how it must be, it was simply a suggestion on how I believe LW can be improved.

Everyone who has replied has made good points, and I honestly believe there is a better way we can manage this that everyone can agree on, but until we think of it...we will have to agree to disagree.

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If you're removing a post from a user, you have to take some responsibility for that. Most of the time the responses back are just stupid angry noise, and there isn't anything to do with it but laugh. But occasionally someone has a legitimate complain, and I think it's perfectly fair for the person who removed it and decided it was against the rules to see their response. Why would the poster have to speak first to someone who had nothing to do with it being removed?

Seeing the response to the work you do should be a positive experience, even if it's just learning a lesson. When you do remove posts it's not just an anonymous thing - you better be damn sure it should be removed, or else the user will know exactly who to come to and you'll deal with the 'consequences.'

And finally, as so many SL's hope to eventually be Mods, this is a good experience to see how members react to things we do.

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Support Leaders not being moderators are accountable for their actions more so than moderators because we are not moderators. We need to be able to defend our actions and if a reply you vote to hide is hidden, you need to be able to defend it. Masking the person who initiated the post removal opens the door to abuse and a lack of accountability. I disagree completely.

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Quote: from W0lf at 3:22 am on July 6, 2009

I disagree, and most of the mod team (almost unanimously) supports topic deletions being sent from us as opposed to "Moderator."

I disagree because it is your responsibility to adequately look into every single rebuttal made by a member who's post you've removed. If you've removed it, you must have a valid logical reason why. If you feel you have made an error, then you must either file an mer with the post listed, or talk to a mod via pm.


Half the time they got no valid complaint so I don't bother replying. I have been flamed, but I just ignore them (:

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Quote: from Catlin at 5:57 am on July 11, 2009

Quote: from W0lf at 3:22 am on July 6, 2009

I disagree, and most of the mod team (almost unanimously) supports topic deletions being sent from us as opposed to "Moderator."  

 I disagree because it is your responsibility to adequately look into every single rebuttal made by a member who's post you've removed.  If you've removed it, you must have a valid logical reason why.  If you feel you have made an error, then you must either file an mer with the post listed, or talk to a mod via pm.  

 


Half the time they got no valid complaint so I don't bother replying. I have been flamed, but I just ignore them (:


That is perfectly fine :D


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