And what does the lack of perfection have to do with atheism?

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you still fail to hold a belief in a higher power and therefore you're still an atheist, although probably agnostic

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Quote: from Aum Shinrikyo at 1:09 pm on July 4, 2009

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Of course nothing comes from nothing.
Doesn't mean there has to be a creator.

And what does the lack of perfection have to do with atheism?

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Post edited at 10:16 am on July 4, 2009 by RayOrama

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Quote: from S0LITUDE at 1:09 pm on July 4, 2009

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you still fail to hold a belief in a higher power and therefore you're still an atheist, although probably agnostic

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Atheism means not believing in a higher power. My point is that I can't honestly say there is no higher power. I'm not an agnostic either because I don't believe anybody can present evidence that God exists.

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I'm not sure that makes sense.

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Quote: from S0LITUDE at 1:09 pm on July 4, 2009

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you still fail to hold a belief in a higher power and therefore you're still an atheist, although probably agnostic

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Atheism means not believing in a higher power. My point is that I can't honestly say there is no higher power. I'm not an agnostic either because I don't believe anybody can present evidence that God exists.

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atheism does not say that there's no higher power.

atheism does not believe there is a higher power. There's a difference. no one actually knows whether a higher power exists or not. It's only a belief.

your definition of agnosticism is strange. Agnosticism simply says it's impossible to know for sure whether a god exists or not.

if you believe it's impossible for a higher power to not exist, and you believe in this higher power then you're a theist.

anyway a few things:

if nothing comes from nothing where did this creator come from?

where does any idea we know of come from?

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Quote: from RayOrama at 7:12 pm on July 4, 2009

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Quote: from S0LITUDE at 1:09 pm on July 4, 2009

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you still fail to hold a belief in a higher power and therefore you're still an atheist, although probably agnostic

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Atheism means not believing in a higher power. My point is that I can't honestly say there is no higher power. I'm not an agnostic either because I don't believe anybody can present evidence that God exists.

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atheism does not say that there's no higher power.

atheism does not believe there is a higher power. There's a difference. no one actually knows whether a higher power exists or not. It's only a belief.

your definition of agnosticism is strange. Agnosticism simply says it's impossible to know for sure whether a god exists or not.

if you believe it's impossible for a higher power to not exist, and you believe in this higher power then you're a theist.

anyway a few things:

if nothing comes from nothing where did this creator come from?

where does any idea we know of come from?

 

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A beautiful face? We have all seen faces and are capable of constructing hypothetical ones which fulfil all our aesthetic standards. A brilliant intellect? It is no great stretch to imagine a being who is wiser and more acute than we are. A formless, omnipotent and omnipresent being stretched over the cosmos? You're probably thinking of an immense shimmering nebula with an aura of power or something similar.

The point is that none of the ideas that we associate with perfection are outside the bounds of ordinary human imagination. As for the concept itself, we are quite capable of forming fuzzy pictures of things that aren't quite real or aren't quite within our mental grasp. We can talk of mathematical infinities and theories of everything involving 11 dimensions without really holding these concepts within our minds.

When we speak of perfection we are simply talking about hypothetical superlative forms of everyday objects or virtues. There is nothing puzzling in that, and nothing which suggest the existence of a god.

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I've never or felt seen God. I've never seen real evidence that he exists. But there's one reason why I can be an atheist. Perfection. Nothing comes from nothing. The gel pen came from the roller ball and that from the ball point and that came from the fountain pen which came from the quill. Everything in humanity's mind has come from something we;ve seen before. Where does the idea of perfection come from though? We've never seen anything perfect. Everything biological dies and everything mechanical or electronic stops working. Why do we think perfection can be achieved then? The fact that this idea is in my head stops me from being an atheist.

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There are many concepts which have been invented by humanity over time that certainly did not previously exist, including many we take for granted, such as the concepts of sci-fi and fantasy for recent times, or the entirety of higher social structures and civilization if you go back to the beginning. Perfection is simply an ideal, one which isn't actually realized except in mathematics anyways. Ask any two people what perfection is in something that is subjective and you'll likely as not get two different answers.

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I've never or felt seen God. I've never seen real evidence that he exists. But there's one reason why I can be an atheist. Perfection. Nothing comes from nothing. The gel pen came from the roller ball and that from the ball point and that came from the fountain pen which came from the quill. Everything in humanity's mind has come from something we;ve seen before. Where does the idea of perfection come from though? We've never seen anything perfect. Everything biological dies and everything mechanical or electronic stops working. Why do we think perfection can be achieved then? The fact that this idea is in my head stops me from being an atheist.

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