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you still fail to hold a belief in a higher power and therefore you're still an atheist, although probably agnosticAtheism means not believing in a higher power. My point is that I can't honestly say there is no higher power. I'm not an agnostic either because I don't believe anybody can present evidence that God exists.  

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Atheism is not a belief...it is the lack of a belief due to no evidence.  Just becasue people claim supernatural agents does not mean that those who reject such notions have any beliefs.

Quote: from Aum Shinrikyo at 1:09 pm on July 4, 2009

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Of course nothing comes from nothing.
Doesn't mean there has to be a creator.

And what does the lack of perfection have to do with atheism?All stories of the creation of man from all religions aroound the world believe humanity was created to perfection. My point is that if we've never seen anything or anybody that's perfect why do we believe we create anything that is perfect or that we ourselves can reach perfection?

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I see your point here.  What exactly is perfection?  By which standard?

Post edited at 5:37 am on July 6, 2009 by LogicandReason

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I've never or felt seen God. I've never seen real evidence that he exists. But there's one reason why I can be an atheist. Perfection. Nothing comes from nothing. The gel pen came from the roller ball and that from the ball point and that came from the fountain pen which came from the quill. Everything in humanity's mind has come from something we;ve seen before. Where does the idea of perfection come from though? We've never seen anything perfect. Everything biological dies and everything mechanical or electronic stops working. Why do we think perfection can be achieved then? The fact that this idea is in my head stops me from being an atheist.

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If everything must come from something, then this god must also come from something too and so on to infinity. If you object that god has no cause because of arbitrary reason X, then we might as well conclude that the universe needs no cause. After all, we have observed the universe scientifically, yet no one has observed god scientifically.

Perfections are like straight lines, they are just abstractions made by an imperfect human mind. Nothing magical here. Furthermore, who thinks that perfection can be achieved? I sure do not.

Your reasons for being a theist is very poor.

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"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
shoreline of wonder" (Ralph W. Sockman)

I am an atheist. I cant say we came from nothing, and I cant say that we came from a higher power/nothing.

All I can do is live MY life, and quit worrying about where or when I came from.

To exist, we do not need the knowledge of creation.
It is not a need.
Religion merely tells us what we want to know. Thus we feel more whole and complete because we feel we have the answers to all of our questions.

But many atheists just live, without the ultimate question because it is a waste of time to search for the impossible answer.

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Atheists in general dont believe that nothing came from nothing.
Yes there are some that do. But that does not mean all do.

I am an atheist. I cant say we came from nothing, and I cant say that we came from a higher power/nothing.

All I can do is live MY life, and quit worrying about where or when I came from.

 
To exist, we do not need the knowledge of creation.  
It is not a need.  
Religion merely tells us what we want to know. Thus we feel more whole and complete because we feel we have the answers to all of our questions.  

But many atheists just live, without the ultimate question because it is a waste of time to search for the impossible answer.

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