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Okay Morodin,Little Italy,Earth Junkie,& Elm.I see the origin of your confusion.You cofuse Communism withsomething that the Bolsheviks & Stalin set up in Russia & other places.In fact Stalin Lenin Mao are only one off many interpretations of Marxism or Socialism.
Marx had very little to say on on the State under a socialist or Communist government .He was certainly not a Statist as many of you use the term.Marx also had very little to say about the dictatorship of the proletariat & the form it would take - Lenei & Stalin created what you are describing.
If socialism was not working ther would sffectively be no labour laws ,no welfare States ,free healthcare education,paid holidays coffee breaks, benefit or dole payments,trade unions etc nor would there be many of our present civil rights
Socialist theory goes back to the period of the French revolution & all the changes listed above were brought in as a consequence of pressure brought on Governments by groups of people who had a background of socialist theory.They set the ball rolling.The early Methodists ,Baptists etc were also influenced by it.
I say all this because in most of Europe [ less in the US] Socialist ideas have worked & are working.Socialim did not work in Russia or China because the entire Capitalist world made sure that those countries [ which were essentially 3rd world countries at the time of their revolutions] could not survive.
They succeeded however in enabling all sorts of socialist legislation to occur in the US & Europe because capitalist governments feared revolts among their own populations if they did not make such provisions
Socialists do believe in civil rights.many have fought & died for them.they are just not always the same rights.eg no individual should own the basic necessities of food water air land & shelter.Those are basic human needs & should be owned by the community for the community & not the State necessarily either.They also belive in the civil rights to a living income ,work,ahouse.holidays,the 8 hour working day,health care & education.And ,importantly a fair share in the communities wealth.
As for communism not working,well the Russians were much better of under the soviet regime than they ever were under the Tsars & in within 4o years the once 3rd world nation of Russia was putting the shits up all the capitalist world.
It is not communism that doesn't work .It is Capitalism.Capitalism has raped the whole world in its greed & starved billions in the last hundred years.Its wars have killed far more than Russia ever caused under Communism.2 World Wars for a start.Then all those little 'colonial wars by the US Brit & France in the last 60 or so years
Right now billions are out of work & going hungry all over the world because of a few US capitalist financiers.Sommuch for their democratic civil rights.
Not to mention the blight on the worlds enviroment by capitalist industrialisation.
So don't damn communism"socialism by pointing the bones at Stalin.You might as well damn religion because you don't like Baptists.Or damn democracy because of how it fails to work in the US
And please stop being so blinded by the TV news & your newspapers.They are merely Capitalist businesses

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