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This was posted on a different thread but I thought it deserved a new topic so that the intent of that other thread wasn't corrupted.

Quote: from Moridin at 1:03 pm on July 9, 2009


Can you provide independently verifiable scientific evidence for your close encounter? If not, why should that which you think you say be taken seriously by anyone? What is the more likely: that you indeed saw a supernatural event that has eluded the grasp of brightest minds and sharpest tools of science for millenia, or that you simply for neurobiology reasons thought you saw something that you really didn't?
I think the same exact standard should apply to God.

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Im not sure you got what he was saying. Unless this is an anti-god topic

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Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 8:54 pm on July 9, 2009

Im not sure you got what he was saying. Unless this is an anti-god topic
Questioning the existnce of God is neither for or against God. Unless you are 100% sure that God is real then you might see this as bashing. But if you are certain of God's existence, what evidence can you provide that a reasonable and intelligent person will accept?

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You pretty much explained what us agnostics believe. The point is it cant be done, no one can prove 100% that god is real or not real. Pointless to discuss

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Quote: from theyareAs at 9:36 pm on July 9, 2009

You pretty much explained what us agnostics believe. The point is it cant be done, no one can prove 100% that god is real or not real. Pointless to discuss
My point was that many people constantly demand evidence from those who believe in paranormal activity or alien life. Yet many of these are people who believe in God who is the most famous ghost of all.

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Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?
I'm not a scientist but if something exists its existence can be proven.

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Quote: from RayOrama at 9:20 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?
I'm not a scientist but if something exists its existence can be proven.

I don't think that's exactly how science works.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:34 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from RayOrama at 9:20 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?
I'm not a scientist but if something exists its existence can be proven.

I don't think that's exactly how science works.

If science can't prove that God exists then nothing can. It's up to those who believe he exists to prove that he does. It can only be done through verifiable evidence. There isn't even any circumstancial evidence.

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Quote: from RayOrama at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:34 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from RayOrama at 9:20 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?
I'm not a scientist but if something exists its existence can be proven.

I don't think that's exactly how science works.

If science can't prove that God exists then nothing can. It's up to those who believe he exists to prove that he does. It can only be done through verifiable evidence. There isn't even any circumstancial evidence.

What is the reason that believers need to prove that He does?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 11:18 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from RayOrama at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:34 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from RayOrama at 9:20 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:51 am on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?
I'm not a scientist but if something exists its existence can be proven.

I don't think that's exactly how science works.

If science can't prove that God exists then nothing can. It's up to those who believe he exists to prove that he does. It can only be done through verifiable evidence. There isn't even any circumstancial evidence.

What is the reason that believers need to prove that He does?

I think many want to convince others that God exist because of the pack mentality. The more people believe in what you believe the more justified you feel in believing it, and the more justified they feel in trying to impose those beliefs on others. As for me, I don't need believers to prove anything to me but if they can't prove it then they should keep their beliefs all to themselves and keep them out of the laws that affect me.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:51 pm on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?

Theists make empirical claims about gods all the time. As a Christian, you believe that human parthenogenesis is possible, that water can be turned into wine, that the sun has stopped in its orbit across the sky, that someone who has been clinically dead for three days can come back to life, that believes can drink poison and not get harmed and so on.

All of these are (false) empirical claims.

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Quote: from Moridin at 10:09 am on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:51 pm on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?

Theists make empirical claims about gods all the time. As a Christian, you believe that human parthenogenesis is possible, that water can be turned into wine, that the sun has stopped in its orbit across the sky, that someone who has been clinically dead for three days can come back to life, that believes can drink poison and not get harmed and so on.

All of these are (false) empirical claims.


Religion and God are two separate entities. You can
debunk a religion. But that would in no way disprove or prove the existence of God. That said, everything you stated above are merely claims made by the Bible and obviously preposterous. But that makes it easy for you to refute religion. Not God. Because God is an immutable and separate entity within the realms of reality as we percieve.


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Quote: from Moridin at 12:09 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:51 pm on July 10, 2009

Can you explain how science could be used to verify or disprove the existence of God?

Theists make empirical claims about gods all the time. As a Christian, you believe that human parthenogenesis is possible, that water can be turned into wine, that the sun has stopped in its orbit across the sky, that someone who has been clinically dead for three days can come back to life, that believes can drink poison and not get harmed and so on.

All of these are (false) empirical claims.


What has that to do with proving or disproving the existence of God?

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