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All sins are ontologically but not teleologically equal.

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I disagree. What makes you think that they aren't all technologically equal? What might be a simpler thing now could turn out to be a serious sin to avoid in the future.

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Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and admit that I don't understand this.  Could you do me a favor and explain it?

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Quote: from Tavis at 8:03 pm on July 7, 2009

I disagree. What makes you think that they aren't all technologically equal? What might be a simpler thing now could turn out to be a serious sin to avoid in the future.

Teleologically, not technologically.

All sins are equal ontologically, that is they all have the same essential effect metaphysically.  They are not teleologically equal in that one may have more terrible and far reaching physical effects.

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 9:12 pm on July 7, 2009

Quote: from Tavis at 8:03 pm on July 7, 2009

I disagree. What makes you think that they aren't all technologically equal? What might be a simpler thing now could turn out to be a serious sin to avoid in the future.

Teleologically, not technologically.

All sins are equal ontologically, that is they all have the same essential effect metaphysically. They are not teleologically equal in that one may have more terrible and far reaching physical effects.


This puts my whole discussion to shit.
In this case, I agree.

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 6:12 pm on July 7, 2009

Quote: from Tavis at 8:03 pm on July 7, 2009

I disagree. What makes you think that they aren't all technologically equal? What might be a simpler thing now could turn out to be a serious sin to avoid in the future.

Teleologically, not technologically.

All sins are equal ontologically, that is they all have the same essential effect metaphysically. They are not teleologically equal in that one may have more terrible and far reaching physical effects.


Okay... so if I understand correctly, you are saying God percieves all sins equally, but they can have different effects?  


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That's a way to put it.

The point is that people often discuss "which sin is the worst?"  It's happening in another topic right now.  When it comes to whether or not one should sin, they are all equally bad.  They have the same ontological quality; their essence is the same.  However, people often come back at this with the statement "So God thinks its the same to tell a lie and to mass murder babies?"  Obviously not, since they are teleologically unequal.  Both the liar and the murder sin and that sin has the same ontological effect, however, teleologically mass murder impacts the world more dramatically, more negatively than your typical lie.

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Yeah sounds right to me. However, due to the religious/theistic connotations it carries, I'm a bit uncomfortable using words like 'sin' to describe transgressions of moral law. But we do need words like it in order to have any sort of discussion on morality, so I guess I'll go with it.



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Does this statement compare the various categories of sins, or various possible sinful acts?

I only agree if it's the latter.


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Quote: from Prince o palities at 7:02 pm on July 7, 2009

That's a way to put it.

The point is that people often discuss "which sin is the worst?" It's happening in another topic right now. When it comes to whether or not one should sin, they are all equally bad. They have the same ontological quality; their essence is the same. However, people often come back at this with the statement "So God thinks its the same to tell a lie and to mass murder babies?" Obviously not, since they are teleologically unequal. Both the liar and the murder sin and that sin has the same ontological effect, however, teleologically mass murder impacts the world more dramatically, more negatively than your typical lie.



But does God look at how it impacts the world?  I'm thinking God just sees the sin, not the Earthly repercussions.  Then again, I don't even pretend to understand the 'mind' of God.

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So basically you are saying that the morality of something has nothing to do with its consequences?

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