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love is a decision

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i like that.

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Do not abandon yourselves to despair.
We are the Easter people and hallelujah is our song.

Pope John Paul II

For me, love is a matter of shared experience, care for the well-being of another person, and emotional and/or physical intimacy.
Further, for me, close friendship and what is colloquially referred to as a relationship are almost if not entirely identical. The same traits and aspects of a close friendship apply equally to a relationship, to the point there's rarely a need to differentiate between them, instead simply defining each in terms of what they are.

I reject the traditional model of relationships, and that includes the notion that the love between lovers is completely different from that between close friends. It also includes the notion that sex is somehow an forgone expectation of a relationship.

Needless to say, as the result of those views I'm pretty amenable to the polyamorous viewpoint.

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Religion: Atheistic agnostic, political independent
Polyamory FAQ Relationships

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 4:12 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from The Academy at 3:11 pm on July 9, 2009

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Love is basically a mutual attraction between two individuals in which they can fully express all their emotions and be assured that they won't be judged. Someone who they can spend all their time together with, loving every second of it. Something that takes a while to discover. Not necessarily are the two people alike, but it's their differences which make them perfect for each other.

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 So when you say you love your mother, you are saying the two of you are mutually attracted to one another?

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Not in that sense, no. I feel that their are two forms of love. On in which (forgive me, I can't remember what it's called) it's like you love the person because you are family with them, but another is a form where you love them for who they are. When you are in love with someone, is the definition I gave above.

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There might even be three forms of love, or even four. Maybe they are all Greek, though.

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"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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There might even be three forms of love, or even four. Maybe they are all Greek, though.

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 3:00 pm on July 10, 2009

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 There might even be three forms of love, or even four. Maybe they are all Greek, though.

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That is actually a decent point of view. Who knows, the world is vast and full of multiple points and ideas. Each person finds something different out of love.

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I was actually referring to storge, philia, eros, and agape. Basically family-love, friendship-love, romantic-love, and divine-love. C. S. Lewis wrote a little book about them that has around 100% fewer talking lion Jesuses than most people would expect from him.

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"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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I was actually referring to storge, philia, eros, and agape. Basically family-love, friendship-love, romantic-love, and divine-love. C. S. Lewis wrote a little book about them that has around 100% fewer talking lion Jesuses than most people would expect from him.

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Oh. Sorry, I've never actually heard of that. Interesting theories/greek ways of thought. I shall look them up eventually when I get around to it. Is it like a book that someone my age, 16, would generally be able to pick up and understand the ideas produced in it?

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Quote: from Feel The High at 4:15 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Katx at 1:13 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Feel The High at 4:10 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Katx at 1:10 pm on July 9, 2009

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Love is a nonexistent thing.

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  No.

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  Yes.

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 So you're saying nobody loves.. right?  
 I don't understand.

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Love does not exist. Nobody loves. It's a word in which people throw around just for the hell of it. It's meaningless.

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"Love" is not at all meaningless; it is a clear empirical grounding. Different sorts of love is various forms of electrochemical reactions in a material brain. Can't get anymore real than that. It also has a clear evolutionary rationale.

What will you claim next? That fear does not exist?  

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 3:07 pm on July 10, 2009

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I was actually referring to storge, philia, eros, and agape. Basically family-love, friendship-love, romantic-love, and divine-love. C. S. Lewis wrote a little book about them that has around 100% fewer talking lion Jesuses than most people would expect from him.

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Oh. Sorry, I've never actually heard of that. Interesting theories/greek ways of thought. I shall look them up eventually when I get around to it. Is it like a book that someone my age, 16, would generally be able to pick up and understand the ideas produced in it?

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Probably, it isn't written in a very complicated way. At the very least, it will drive home the concept that the English word "love" isn't really sufficient for all the different ways we try to use it, which renders it vague.

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"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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Quote: from Katx at 11:17 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Feel The High at 4:15 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Katx at 1:13 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Feel The High at 4:10 pm on July 9, 2009

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Quote: from Katx at 1:10 pm on July 9, 2009

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Love is a nonexistent thing.

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   No.

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  Yes.

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  So you're saying nobody loves.. right?
  I don't understand.

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 Love does not exist. Nobody loves. It's a word in which people throw around just for the hell of it. It's meaningless.

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"Love" is not at all meaningless; it is a clear empirical grounding. Different sorts of love is various forms of electrochemical reactions in a material brain. Can't get anymore real than that. It also has a clear evolutionary rationale.

What will you claim next? That fear does not exist?

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Chemical reactions are now claiming to resemble love? Prove to me that "love" is real. You can't. Whether you believe in it or not is opinion based, sorry to burst your little bubble. And fear is a figment of your imagination. That's why we so regularly overcome it.

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She's gone.
She gave me a pen.
I gave her my heart,
she gave me a pen.

Short and simple proof of the reality of love.

1. Love is identical to various electrochemical reactions in a material brain.
2. Various electrochemical reactions in a material brain is real.
3. Therefore, love is real.

Q. E. D.

You then go on to assert in the most arbitrary way I have ever seen that fear is just a figment of your imagination. If this is the case, why can we produce fear (or love for that matter) by manipulating the brain chemistry of mammals?

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2002/mimicking-brains-all-clear-quells-fear-in-rats.shtml etc.

You can't answer this, can you?

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You have yet to notice where this topic is located though, have you?
Religion and PHILOSOPHY.
This nor my response has anything to do with science,
It's nice that someone is a fan of Scientology but I am not.
Science can prove many things, but does that make it correct? No.
Love is a never ending discussion that science will never be able to prove exists.
I'm sorry you wasted your time on your last post, but it changes nothing.
If love is real it's not felt through the brain, it's felt through the heart.

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Kat, everything you just said was stupid and wrong.

I will support that statement if requested.

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"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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I was actually referring to storge, philia, eros, and agape. Basically family-love, friendship-love, romantic-love, and divine-love. C. S. Lewis wrote a little book about them that has around 100% fewer talking lion Jesuses than most people would expect from him.

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However, for me, friendship and romantic are so close to identical that it does not matter - and even of the same form, no two relations between people are exactly alike any more than any two people are.

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Religion: Atheistic agnostic, political independent
Polyamory FAQ Relationships

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You have yet to notice where this topic is located though, have you?
Religion and PHILOSOPHY.
This nor my response has anything to do with science,
It's nice that someone is a fan of Scientology but I am not.
Science can prove many things, but does that make it correct? No.
Love is a never ending discussion that science will never be able to prove exists.
I'm sorry you wasted your time on your last post, but it changes nothing.
If love is real it's not felt through the brain, it's felt through the heart.

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Oh. My. Are you for real? That was the most ignorant statement I have heard. Ever.

- Science is based on philosophy, therefore science is relevant in any philosophical discussion where empirical details are relevant.
- Scientology is a religious cult that extorts people for money. Science is the human activity of seeking natural explanations for natural phenomena that involves testing and comparing.
- If science can 'prove something beyond reasonable doubt', then yes, it makes it 'correct'.
- Science has already 'proven beyond reasonable doubt' that love exists.
- The heart does not have any neurons, so you can't feel anything 'in the heart'.

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"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
shoreline of wonder" (Ralph W. Sockman)