While I do see where you're coming from, I don't think there's really much evidence or research that has looked into this. I don't think at this point I could really believe that like 68% or so of Christians listed on the census are not practising. Yes, the census isn't perfect, but I don't think such a large difference could be accounted by misrepresentation or incorrectly reported information.

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 8:36 pm on July 8, 2009

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I think you may be describing a perception of activity rather than actual activity.  I imagine numerically, even the dwindling number of practicing Christians still outnumber the Muslims.

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This isn't just me applying my perception to the entire country; an independent survey put it that in 2010 the numbers of Mosque attendances will overtake numbers of church attendances, given the current regressive trend of Christians attending church p.a compared to the growing number attending mosques p.a.

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anthoron beat me to it. Statistics require a source.

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and even then i'd question the source.

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Muslims outpace Anglicans in UK

SUNDAY, JANUARY 25, 2004 08:08:38 PM

LONDON : Attendance at Britain 's mosques has outstripped the number of regular worshippers in the Church of England for the first time, media reported on Sunday.

Figures compiled from government and academic sources show that 930,000 Muslims attend a place of worship at least once a week, as against 916,000 Anglicans, The Sunday Times reported.

Muslim leaders said that it was a landmark in the rise of Islam in Britain and that Muslims must receive a share of the Church of England's privileged status.

This weekend David Hope, the Archbishop of York, second in the church hierarchy, conceded. His spokesman said: "The archbishop acknowledges the overtaking of Church of England numbers by the Muslim community. But he believes that many more people have an affinity to the church than the number recorded as having attended once on a Sunday."

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edit: one sec let me fix the second source/chart.

Post edited at 12:55 pm on July 8, 2009 by DonnieDarkko

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Yeah, but as the source stated, that just listed Anglicans, and there's a whole load of other Christian denominations in that list that probably would change the figure a lot.

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Well considering the C of E has traditionally always been the largest denomination it's saying something, but anyway, that's what the other source is for (fixed now).

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:52 pm on July 8, 2009

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Yeah, but as the source stated, that just listed Anglicans, and there's a whole load of other Christian denominations in that list that probably would change the figure a lot.

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Well considering the C of E has traditionally always been the largest denomination it's saying something, but anyway, that's what the other source is for (fixed now).

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Quote: from DonnieDarkko at 8:57 pm on July 8, 2009

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:52 pm on July 8, 2009

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Yeah, but as the source stated, that just listed Anglicans, and there's a whole load of other Christian denominations in that list that probably would change the figure a lot.

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 Well considering the C of E has traditionally always been the largest denomination it's saying something, but anyway, that's what the other source is for (fixed now).

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well section 12 states that roman catholics attend church more than C of E, and in total sunday attendance would be over 3 million, compared to the <1 million Muslims the quote stated. So even without questioning your sources, it still debunks your original proposition.

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And that was in 2005, whilst the average % of decline considering all denominations per year is 13.1 (395,460 people). I'll admit I'm assuming it's declined at roughly that same rate between 2005 and now, but if it has, in 2010 Islam will have overtaken Christianity.

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In view of the statistics and their source, I think I'm going to stand by my original statement. You are expressing a very common perception of reality rather than reality itself.

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What's wrong with the sources? They're from the Christian Research English Church Census. And a common perception of reality rather than reality itself? I'm posting about actual church/mosque attendance in an attempt to actually put things in real terms!? The perception of reality, if anything, is that Christianity is the dominant religion.

edit: Also, talking of perceptions, I think you think I'm only posting this to see if I can piss off some Christians, I'm not. I'm not trying to put all faiths in some type of competition, when I asked "Thoughts?" it didn't mean "Shove that in your Christian pipe and smoke it!", I was getting at people's predictions of implications of Islam becoming more prominent on British culture, law and government, the media etc.

Post edited at 1:52 pm on July 8, 2009 by DonnieDarkko

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and how/where was this sample taken? having lived in both the middle of england and the south of england, i can safely say that the south of england would probably not reflect your argument considering i've seen very few people who aren't white.

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The census is from a Christian source (Christian Research Group) on 8 May 2005 with the participation of 18,720 churches, half of the total of 37,501 known churches in England originally contacted. Statistics and figures are based on information supplied by churches on attendance figures for all services on May 2005. Estimates have been made for those who did not respond, partly on the basis that their figures would on average be similar to those who did respond, but also comparing the results with previous studies and/or published denominational figures.

Considering what we've all agreed about anecdotal evidence I don't know what you're thinking you're proving there. You may as well have said "In the relatively tiny amount of the south of England I've seen, I didn't see many white people, therefore everyone in the south's a Muslim and the rest are white Christians." And you said that having lived in the Midlands!? Surely you must know that Birmingham and Leicester both have very large asian communities, though smaller towns may be more white British. Same applies to the North considering places like Bradford, and the south with London and Slough.

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