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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:02 pm on July 7, 2009
 Why are humans and chimps in different genus' Jake? 
They are closer than birds and fish (your example)
Yes, I know Abs is mostly White - though he is still mixed.
He's mixed by any logical measure.
He is a majority white. You said
Only mixed people can ever be confused, and they have to be majority one race.
I gave you an exception. Abs is confused and he is majority one race. Since you claimed that native americans could also be caucasoids it could be he is entirely one race!
He might not be, but what does that have to do with it?
It shows your claim failed.
You don't have time to read everything I type, but you sure as hell have time to split single sentences into 5 quotes.
Learned it from you.  Sorry Im not a post whore spwewing out 37 posts per day  Post edited at 5:41 pm on July 7, 2009 by jakelong
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They are closer than birds and fish (your example)
That doesn't answer why they aren't in the same one.
He is a majority white. You said
Only mixed people can ever be confused, and they have to be majority one race.
I gave you an exception.
Abs is confused and he is majority one race. Since you claimed that native americans could also be caucasoids it could be he is entirely one race!
How did I contradict myself.
Reread what I said:
"Only mixed people can ever be confused, and they have to be majority one race." Remember I said "Only mixed people can..." which shows it's only POSSIBLE. Abs is not confused for a race, but for being from a specific part of earth - Latin America.
There are many races in Latin America, which is why that mistake is bogus. You can't look "Latino" at all. You can be White, Black, Amerind, and a mixture of them and be "Latino"
It shows your claim failed.
You didn't understand it.
He doesn't contradict it at all. The only contradiction you could give is if you showed me someone that is solely one race, and is mistaken for another.
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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:23 pm on July 7, 2009
"Only mixed people can ever be confused, and they have to be majority one race ."
They "have to be majority white" to be confused. No they don't have to be. abs is majority white and people do not believe he is white. Neither do you.
You can't look "Latino" at all. You can be White, Black, Amerind, and a mixture of them and be "Latino"
If you were to guess his race not knowing what it was WHICH race would you have given him? White?
The only contradiction you could give is if you showed me someone that is solely one race, and is mistaken for another.
That is not what you said though. You said MAJORITY.
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They "have to be majority white" to be confused. No they don't have to be. abs is majority white and people do not believe he is white. Neither do you.
You construed it.
Only mixed people can be confused for being purely of one race if they are majority that race. Since "Latino" is not a race, Abs doesn't really apply.
If you were to guess his race not knowing what it was WHICH race would you have given him? White?
We went over this. He looked mostly White with some nonWhite admixture - so I asked Bud about it and he told me he was 1/8 Amerind. Clearly, he was predominantly Caucasoid.
But, as he is mixed, he isn't technically any race at all.
That is not what you said though. You said MAJORITY.
I know that is not what I said. I said you can only be confused for another race if you are mixed and mostly that race.
It's not a hard concept. To contradict this, you must show me someone that is one race, "Latino" is not a race, and confused for another. If I said "Only mixed people can ever be confused" then you can only defeat my claim by showing someone that is not mixed and is often believed to be a different race.
And a heads up - we're speaking of the 5-race scheme here. Since it's the best, most accurate, most scientifically supported categorization of humans - I think it fits. Show me a fully Caucasoid/Negroid/Mongoloid/Capoid/Australoid person that is often mistaken for another race. I am waiting.
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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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Quote: from kidd rune at 9:17 pm on July 7, 2009
You construed it.
And you say I repeat myself. You've repeated the same shit over and over and re not making any more sense.
Clearly, he was predominantly Caucasoid.
But, as he is mixed, he isn't technically any race at all.
So he cannot be mistaken for being any race? The point is that he is mistaken for NOT being white wile he is majority white. Which shows your point failed.
I know that is not what I said.
Oh so you admit you messed up? ok
I said you can only be confused for another race if you are mixed and mostly that race.
Yet abs fails that claim.
To contradict this, you must show me someone that is one race, "Latino" is not a race, and confused for another.
Being mistake for NOT being white when you are MAJORITY white is enough.
If I said "Only mixed people can ever be confused"
I had no claim on the first part of what you said but on the SECOND part about MAJORITY. I thought it was pretty clear by now.
Since it's the best, most accurate, most scientifically supported categorization of humans - I think it fits.
Where do you think most Latinos fit in there? What about filipinos? What about Jews? What about Ethiopians? Clearly a large portion of ethnicities by your own admission do NOT fit in that classification except as you claim as "mixed". But you can only call them "mixed" using that classification. It is quite possible that classification is rong and they are "pure" in another type of categorization. Anyway check this article out http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_10_62/ai_n27317774/
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So he cannot be mistaken for being any race? The point is that he is mistaken for NOT being white wile he is majority white.
Which shows your point failed.
Sorry, you didn't understand my fucking point Jake. I never said mixed people can't be mistaken for an actual race. I said 'Only mixed people can ever be confused" Therefore, the only way to show my point "Fail" is by showing someone of ONE race that is NOT mixed that can be easily confused for another race. Since abs is mixed, he could be mistaken for an actual race. But he isn't, according to you. He's mistaken for "Latino" which is not a race at all. It has nothing to do with race.
Remember, Jake, it's IMPOSSIBLE to mistake Abs as being nonWhite - since he isn't White. It's not a mistake. Abs is not White.
Yet abs fails that claim.
Explain how Abs contradicts:
"you can only be confused for another race if you are mixed and mostly that race" What race is he mistaken for:
Caucasoid
Negroid
Capoid
Australoid
Mongoloid
Being mistake for NOT being white when you are MAJORITY white is enough.
You do realize Abs is not White, thus there is no reason to think he is? How can you mistake him for not being White, when he isn't? Since when couldn't people from Latin America be White?
Che is White.
Castillanos are White, if that's how you spell it.
I had no claim on the first part of what you said but on the SECOND part about MAJORITY. I thought it was pretty clear by now.
What RACE was he mistaken for?
Where do you think most Latinos fit in there? What about filipinos? What about Jews? What about Ethiopians? Clearly a large portion of ethnicities by your own admission do NOT fit in that classification except as you claim as "mixed".
Latino is not a race.
Some Latinos would fit under Caucasoid.
Some under Negroid.
Some under Mongoloid. Some would be mixed, thus no classification for them. Filipinos would be put under Mongoloid with Australoid influence. Jews, generally Caucasoid, though "Jewish" is not one ethnicity.
There are many types of Jews, and some Jews are not Caucasian. Ethiopians are generally Caucasoid, with some Negroid admixture. The vast majority are Caucasoid to some extent.
But you can only call them "mixed" using that classification. It is quite possible that classification is rong and they are "pure" in another type of categorization.
For which example, Jake?
Which example is mixed under the 5-race scheme, but not mixed at all?
Anyway check this article out http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_10_62/ai_n27317774/
What about it?
Some girl that is 1/2 Norwegian and 1/2 "African American" is thought of as White?
Firstly, I demand a picture. Secondly, "African-American" people are often mixed, 80-90% of them have some degree of European ancestry. If it was even 1%, she would qualify as MOSTLY one race - and she was confused for it.
I still demand a picture. I just read the first few paragraphs though.
Really, they put so much emphasis on skin color.
It's stupid. Race isn't skin.
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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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Funny, Jake.
The whole species doesn't have to neatly fit into every category for race to be a very real concept. Remember, 'Latino' is not a race. Nothing binds people from Latin America together besides geography.
Except humanity, similar culture, similar ancestry, similar languages and the fact that race doesn't exist. Heh, funny. Wait, that's for all people, so maybe it is only geography? We can all learn human languages, yet we cannot learn rat or horse languages, so maybe the only significant thing is geography?
Post edited at 3:16 pm on July 8, 2009 by Takinam
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Similar culture and language of course bind them together - but ancestry? What accounts for the White Argentinians, the Amerind Mexicans, and the Black Dominicans?
Similar ancestry? That's why Latino can't be confused as a race or anything other than people in South or Central America, regardless of genetic makeup, that speak Spanish. There is no reason to believe that animals have "Language" besides noises/gestures that are hardwired into their instincts that they can understand. We can somewhat understand them too. Can you not understand when a cat is hungry, angry, scared, or happy?
I can, it's not very hard. I guess you could call that "Language" but it would be a far stretch.
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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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