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Quote: from ElephantStone at 2:08 pm on June 26, 2009

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Quote: from 80Kidz at 10:04 pm on June 26, 2009

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then why are schools test scores going down the pipes.

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 They're still going up in Ireland and a lot of other countries in the world.  

 You know there is an area outside of America called 2The Rest of the World". I doubt you'd have heard about it though...

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way to be a smartass.

lets see some of your references asshole.

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Weinberger, D.R. 'Archives of Psychiatry'

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I agree, IQ tends to be more about book smarts then anything else.  Sure you can remember pi to a thousand digits, but if I tossed you in the woods how long would you last. Each generation just seems to not have to worry about manual stuff and this are able to become smarter, but if society failed the "smart" ones are probably going to be the first to die off.

Edit, to simplify it just measures a small part of ones intelligence, its not even great for comparing academics but there's so many other things that it completely ignores.

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I disagree. Your IQ is not a measure of how much you already know, but rather an indicator of how capable you are of grasping new concepts and ideas.

How do you measure intelligence?

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Do you have statistics to show that we're gaining in IQ but not intelligence?

How do you measure intelligence?

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I don't know how you would measure intelligence, and I don't think its possible.

The term used for what I am describing is called the Flynn effect, look it up and it will give you all the statistics you want.

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 2:08 pm on June 26, 2009

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Quote: from 80Kidz at 10:04 pm on June 26, 2009

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then why are schools test scores going down the pipes.

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 They're still going up in Ireland and a lot of other countries in the world.  

 You know there is an area outside of America called 2The Rest of the World". I doubt you'd have heard about it though...

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lets not start this again

for the love of god thats as much a retread on this forum as the sexism jokes and the crime is for niggers thing

so please, stay on subject and no need for snide comments

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You're just saying this because you're black.

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Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's.

Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.

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But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009

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Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's.  

 Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.

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But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.

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So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I?

I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009

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Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's.

  Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.

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 But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.

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So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I?

I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.

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He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:22 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009

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Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's.    

  Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.

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  But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.

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 So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I?  

 I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.

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He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009

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Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's.    

  Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.

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  But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.

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 So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I?  

 I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.

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He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.

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So drawing from that, this man is more intelligent than Einstein due to his education.

I applaud your intelligence.

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:34 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:22 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009

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Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's.

   Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.

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  But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.

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  So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I?

  I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.

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 He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.

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Education = intelligence?

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I'd say a lot of things equal intelligence

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So drawing from that, this man is more intelligent than Einstein due to his education.  

I applaud your intelligence.

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I would say a car mechanic is more intelligent in the way of fixing cars than Einstein would have been. In that respect, even a car mechanic can be more intelligent than Einstein.

Post edited at 2:30 pm on July 2, 2009 by Event Horizon

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:33 pm on July 2, 2009

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Education = intelligence?

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I'd say a lot of things equal intelligence

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So, what are some of these "things" you think equal intelligence?

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