Big generalisation i know, but thats exactly what its like near me. Its not fair on anyone.

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We shouldn't be basing today's morals and ideals based on what they did yesterday.

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   I was only pointing out how absurd it is to claim that "teens aren't capable of truly caring for another life" in light of all the historical success teens have had in parenting.

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  Teens are selfish. Teens don't have the kind of responsibilities that they did "historically" .Times change and so do those responsibilities.

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  Not true. There are many countries where young girls are expected to have children by 20/ and not all teens are irresponsible and raised in the spoiled American fashion. I was a teen mother and I'm doing really well.

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 Those are countries where poverty is high and education is not always available. In these types of countries because education is not always readily and always available to where people can afford it, women are not given the skills to have a career. In America women have options and that means the opportunity to better themselves.

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How does that have anything to do with whether or not teens are responsible enough for children, either at present or in the past?

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Well one babies aren't cheap. They have lots of expenses. A teenager with no education is not going to have the job skills to be able to obtain a job to fully provide and support for their child.

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Well one babies aren't cheap. They have lots of expenses. A teenager with no education is not going to have the job skills to be able to obtain a job to fully provide and support for their child.

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Well one babies aren't cheap. They have lots of expenses. A teenager with no education is not going to have the job skills to be able to obtain a job to fully provide and support for their child.

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I beg to differ. My fiance' has a great paying job. It's not a fortune 500 company but we make enough to support two kids, live in a good neighborhood, and not be on assistance. And he never graduated. I work too but that's just going into savings and gas money right now.  

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Well one babies aren't cheap. They have lots of expenses. A teenager with no education is not going to have the job skills to be able to obtain a job to fully provide and support for their child.

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They actually are. People make them expensive by making unwise or extensive purchases. Parents who insist on nurseries and designer clothes and buying everything new.

People make babies expensive because they turn them into little cult/designer objects. Babies essentially need diapers, clothes, a simple safe place to sleep and food.

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 Well one babies aren't cheap. They have lots of expenses. A teenager with no education is not going to have the job skills to be able to obtain a job to fully provide and support for their child.

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They actually are. People make them expensive by making unwise or extensive purchases. Parents who insist on nurseries and designer clothes and buying everything new.

People make babies expensive because they turn them into little cult/designer objects. Babies essentially need diapers, clothes, a simple safe place to sleep and food.

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Medical costs are ridiculous here, though. So they ARE expensive.

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True, I did forget about that. Hopefully parents would be on insurance some way; either through their own parents, through their own jobs or through Medicaid or other State insurances.

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 Medical costs are ridiculous here, though. So they ARE expensive.

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True, I did forget about that. Hopefully parents would be on insurance some way; either through their own parents, through their own jobs or through Medicaid or other State insurances.

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  Medical costs are ridiculous here, though. So they ARE expensive.

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 True, I did forget about that. Hopefully parents would be on insurance some way; either through their own parents, through their own jobs or through Medicaid or other State insurances.

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Yeah, that helps. But it's still insane D;

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Yeah. Go read the FAQ on how much it cost to raise a baby. I doubt the average teenager truly has that much cash just lying around.

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  Medical costs are ridiculous here, though. So they ARE expensive.

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  True, I did forget about that. Hopefully parents would be on insurance some way; either through their own parents, through their own jobs or through Medicaid or other State insurances.

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Yeah, that helps. But it's still insane D;

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Yeah. Go read the FAQ on how much it cost to raise a baby. I doubt the average teenager truly has that much cash just lying around.

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I can imagine. It scares me to think what would have happened if I had lived down there. Hunter was born with a defective kidney and we saw a lot of specialists, probably running into hundreds of thousands of dollars. I definitely could not have afforded it and probably would've been forced to put him up for adoption if I couldn't get insurance. :-/

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Yeah. Go read the FAQ on how much it cost to raise a baby. I doubt the average teenager truly has that much cash just lying around.

You're missing the point. I've read dozens of 'new baby checklists' and they're so ridiculous it's not even funny. 80% of the items on those lists you don't even need and most of them can be bought far cheaper than estimates with a tiny bit of brainpower.

Again, people make babies expensive by insisting that they need all of that crap. Babies don't need $2000 nurseries, $500 strollers, $200-$800 change tables/stations etcetc. If you have the money and want to blow it ensuring that a cold baby wipe never touches your baby's bottom and that they have an 18-section change station, go for it. But that doesn't mean that the baby actually needs or notices all that crap. You do it for yourself, not for your child.

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Yeah. Go read the FAQ on how much it cost to raise a baby. I doubt the average teenager truly has that much cash just lying around.

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Lmao    Seriously those cost predictors are such crap. It maybe costs us $2000 tops for the neccesities for our two sons. Add on birthdays and the etc maybe closer to $5000 (my fiance' is 19 and I'm 20) bu tthe extra is our choice. And if you use cloth diapers and washclothes, and breastfeed all you have to worry about for the first year is clothes and baby food. People hype up those costs so much is sad.

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