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Shia Lebouf and Zac Efron
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Guess our local race face recognition machine got stumped  

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Haha, I've never really learned how to distinguish Jews from Whites.

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Ask KR he claims he has it down to a science

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He should have left after even stevens, that show got tired, and every film he's been in is terrible.

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Quote: from jakelong at 3:42 am on July 21, 2009

Ask KR he claims he has it down to a science
No I didn't.

Also, he has "Jewish" ancestors.

Ashkenazi? Shephardim? Converts?
How many?
What percentage?

I don't know, I doubt the information is out there.


Purely ethnic Jews are quite distinct from Whites, morphologically and genetically. Perhaps the morphological differences are harder to spot for some people, but the genetics is there.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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If he was converted that was a good while ago

http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Efron-family-history.ashx


Efron Name Meaning and History
Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): ornamental name, taken from the Biblical place name Efron, a mountain mentioned in Joshua 15:9 and a Benjaminite city mentioned in 2 Chronicles 13:19, or from the identical Biblical personal name, mentioned in Genesis 25:9.  

And Zac is for Zachary. Seems pretty jewish as you can go.

I guess during Nazi times he could have changed his name and passed for aryan without problems.  

Post edited at 5:38 pm on July 21, 2009 by jakelong

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Again, we don't know how ethnically Jewish he is.
Perhaps his dad was fully ethnic Jewish.
Or his grandpa.
Or his great grandpa. Or his great great great great grandpa.


I don't think Zachary is Jewish. My cousin is named that - and not Jewish.
http://www.behindthename.com/name/zachary


Usual English form of ZACHARIAS. This form has been in use since the Middle Ages, though it did not become common until after the Protestant Reformation. It was borne by American military commander and president Zachary Taylor (1784-1850).

It may have Bibilical Hebrew roots but it's used by non-Jews all the time.

And in "Nazi times" you had to prove you had Aryan ancestry, I think called "Nachweise," and they allowed people with small amounts of Jewish ancestry to have the title.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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Quote: from kidd rune at 11:39 am on July 22, 2009

Again, we don't know how ethnically Jewish he is.
He could be more ethnically Jewish as this guy

You just dont know. Just because his FACE looks differnt DOES NOT MEAN his GENES are very different

its funny you are not willing to accept that he MIGHT be fully Jewish or half-jewish


I don't think Zachary is Jewish.
think again


The boy's name Zachary \z(a)-cha-ry\ is pronounced ZAK-a-ree. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "the Lord recalled".

Its really funny you have trouble with accepting the guy maybe as jewish as Paul Newman.


It may have Bibilical Hebrew roots but it's used by non-Jews all the time.
Sure so is Joshua and Nathan.

But the last name is pretty explicit
Efron is definitely Jewish

His gradparents were practising Jews.

http://www.juf.org/tweens/celebrity.aspx?id=11018


I think called "Nachweise," and they allowed people with small amounts of Jewish ancestry to have the title.
So if they had grandparents who were practising Judaism then they could be aryans? Cool...

I guess so long as he didn't advertise his jewishness then nazis would have let him go free.  

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I knew it!  There was always something I didn't like about those guys.

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Quote: from jakelong at 8:51 pm on July 22, 2009He could be more ethnically Jewish as this guy

You just dont know. Just because his FACE looks differnt DOES NOT MEAN his GENES are very different

its funny you are not willing to accept that he MIGHT be fully Jewish or half-jewish Where did I say that? I said "we don't know how ethnically Jewish he is. "
And I won't accept he's fully or half? Why did I say "Perhaps his dad was fully ethnic Jewish."
That would be 1/2.

think again

The boy's name Zachary \z(a)-cha-ry\ is pronounced ZAK-a-ree. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "the Lord recalled". It is of Hebrew origin but the name itself isn't Jewish. THe Name Zachary is Anglo, and it comes from Zekharyah which is Jewish.


Its really funny you have trouble with accepting the guy maybe as jewish as Paul Newman.Where did I say such?

Sure so is Joshua and Nathan.I know this. So is David, which is the name of David Duke. Is he Jewish? Hardly.
A first name isn't a good indication of Jewish ancestry for Zac Efron.

[quote[But the last name is pretty explicit  
Efron is definitely Jewish

His gradparents were practising Jews.  

http://www.juf.org/tweens/celebrity.aspx?id=11018Yet we must keep in mind sometimees a Jew is just someone with a Jewish ancestor.
We don't know what kind of Jew, and how ethnically Jewish they actually are.

So if they had grandparents who were practising Judaism then they could be aryans? Cool...

I guess so long as he didn't advertise his jewishness then nazis would have let him go free.   If there was no evidence of Jewish ancestry they would be Aryan by German law.
If partially Jewish, they weren't Aryan by NSDAP definition but they could marry Aryans.

Marriage of quarter Jews and pure Aryans was zulassig, or allowed, by Nuremberg laws.


Again, being Jewish can mean a lot of things.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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So is David, which is the name of David Duke. Is he Jewish? Hardly.  
A first name isn't a good indication of Jewish ancestry for Zac Efron.

Zachary is much less common than David. But first name + last name does add up.

Its funny how quick you were to claim Paul Newman was Jewish but you are putting doubts into zac's ortigin.

Obviously the face means everything to you...

Post edited at 3:38 pm on July 25, 2009 by jakelong

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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:33 pm on July 25, 2009

Again, being Jewish can mean a lot of things.
Sure. Theres even jews who are NS and WN

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Zachary is much less common than David. But first name + last name does add up.
Its funny how quick you were to claim Paul Newman was Jewish but you are putting doubts into zac's ortigin.

Obviously the face means everything to you...


When was I ever talking about Newman?
All I asked was where I had trouble accepting that Efron was as Jewish as Newman.
I do not doubt that Efron is Jewish, but I wonder how much is he ethnically Jewish.

I knew Efron was Jewish before this thread, and I have known he didn't look quite as Jewish as others, like Newman for instance. Then again, Newman doesn't look quite as ethnically Jewish as other 1/2 Jews.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:52 pm on July 25, 2009

When was I ever talking about Newman?
When you made comments about his pics.


I do not doubt that Efron is Jewish, but I is he.
Why didn't you wonder how much Newman was  ethnically Jewish? You were totally positive that he was part jewish.


I knew Efron was Jewish before this thread
didn't sound like it. Sounded you doubted the fact and kept arguing against him being Jewish.

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Why didn't you wonder how much Newman was  ethnically Jewish? You were totally positive that he was part jewish.
I don't know how ethnically Jewish he is, I will tell you that. I don't know the man.
I am positive he's part Jewish. He looks it, and he reported so.


didn't sound like it. Sounded you doubted the fact and kept arguing against him being Jewish.
I never argued against him being Jewish, and I never doubted the fact he had Jewish ancestry.
I just asked how much.

Remember, in my first post I said he didn't look Jewish. I didn't say the OP was wrong.
My next post had "Also, he has "Jewish" ancestors.

Which shows I never argued against him being Jewish.


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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"


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