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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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 wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.

If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 2:12 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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  wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.  

 If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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You're right but, it's not that easy when your parents let you know as often as they can that they expect certain things from you.

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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 wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.

If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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Virtue won't pay for a Ferrari.

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Quote: from RayOrama at 7:13 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 2:12 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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 wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.    

If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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You're right but, it's not that easy when your parents let you know as often as they can that they expect certain things from you.

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Yeah, I know. My gran was pressure-y like that (thankfully I didn't have to live with her the way people do with their parents). But you can resist, and explain yourself civilly.

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Post edited at 11:26 pm on July 19, 2009 by RayOrama

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Why would I want a Ferrari?

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Fine, Camaro.

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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 wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.

If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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business people-usually deemed successful by amounted wealth over environmentally friendly or moral practices.

Pro sports people-often make headlines for their signing fees as much as current form and sportsmanship.

Politicians wouldn't be able to run without their own initial funding which dictates their starting standards.

But can you name me some well-known successful poor people?!!!

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:12 pm on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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  wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.  

 If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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business people-usually deemed successful by amounted wealth over environmentally friendly or moral practices.

Pro sports people-often make headlines for their signing fees as much as current form and sportsmanship.

Politicians wouldn't be able to run without their own initial funding which dictates their starting standards.

But can you name me some well-known successful poor people?!!!

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People in the limelight are generally going to be quite wealthy, because being in the limelight gives you the opportunity to become so even if you weren't to begin with. What about all the hidden millions of people who treat their fellows with respect, who give their families food and shelter and love, who help those around them in need, who appreciate the beauty that surrounds them and struggle against the ugliness. Why does what they do count for less than someone who has a big house and a shiney car and some flashy title on his door?

But if I must give an example of a well known successful poor person: Francis of Assisi. He is well known, he is widely considered in positive terms (not only by Catholics), his poverty was not one of passivity.

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Would rather make 30 grand a year and be a good person than be rich and like him.

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:24 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:12 pm on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from VirtusInternus at 7:10 am on July 20, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 6:04 pm on July 20, 2009

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I don't think wealth matters much.

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  wealth is often a measuring stick of success though there are exceptions.

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But why? I choose not to buy into that whole concept.

  If success can be measured any way I would measure it by virtue not by wealth or career attainment or anything of that nature.

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 business people-usually deemed successful by amounted wealth over environmentally friendly or moral practices.  

 Pro sports people-often make headlines for their signing fees as much as current form and sportsmanship.  

 Politicians wouldn't be able to run without their own initial funding which dictates their starting standards.  

 But can you name me some well-known successful poor people?!!!

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Well you measure success in a very different way to me.

People in the limelight are generally going to be quite wealthy, because being in the limelight gives you the opportunity to become so even if you weren't to begin with. What about all the hidden millions of people who treat their fellows with respect, who give their families food and shelter and love, who help those around them in need, who appreciate the beauty that surrounds them and struggle against the ugliness. Why does what they do count for less than someone who has a big house and a shiney car and some flashy title on his door?

But if I must give an example of a well known successful poor person: Francis of Assisi. He is well known, he is widely considered in positive terms (not only by Catholics), his poverty was not one of passivity.

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to put food on the table and provide shelter for one's family is admirable yet simplistic. Most average Joe can do that. Society expects more from us in order to stand out from the rest and make a name for ourselves. That's why lawyers, scientists, pilots, doctors, accountants, actors are all paid so much-because they are filling positions that require great skill and discipline which not just anyone can do, yet are such important roles in society hence they are rewarded with high salaries.

Yes it is good to be a good person but some might argue a good person is just someone who doesn't break the law! If we never pushed ourselves and tried to excel we would have no surgeons, no air travel etc. etc. so life requires a drive to succeed from at least some % of people.

This is why I'm all about making spiritual money. That is doing what you love and something deemed good for others and the benefits (financial and other) complement your actions but aren't the key motivator.

At the same time I don't think there is anything wrong with the pursuit of money. Plenty of people are rich and are good people and donate to charity and so forth. I believe it's how you come about your wealth and how it shifts your view on the world that governs your moral worth.

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I do want a career though and i have no doubt that i'll surpass my parents. We're immigrants though so that's not hard for me to out-achieve my parents. I'm not worried about my wealth or success, but I don't actively try to become more successful or wealthy. (I will try to have success in my career though and in my personal life)

I do feel pressure from people who specifically and relentlessly bug me about success. But i think that'll diminish over time.

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