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Replies: 64Last Post July 11 9:10pm by Aimforthehead
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No need for property =/= property causes crime. The actual reason behind the crime and thus the property is scarcity. I've been over this several times.

For the very small amount of violence and killings that do occur, as I've explained previously, the person who committed such acts will not be cast out, punished, or anything like that. But rather treated as a sick patient. That will be societies job.  Quite literally, too. As it is our understanding, when a person kills someone else, that was not an act of fulfilling their nature, but behavior produced by the environment they were in. Thus, it can be fixed.
There cannot be authorities as we will be back in the beginning if we did. The transition will however have a limited authority

For the most part however, violence and murder rates will go down to nearly 0%, as unlike now, there will be no basis for such acts.

I reread what I said and I sort of did make it seem like I meant property was part of what causes crime, my mistake >_>

Post edited at 3:46 pm on July 11, 2009 by Aimforthehead

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Quote: from Aimforthehead at 2:03 am on July 11, 2009

Quote: from Moridin at 1:15 pm on July 10, 2009

Aimforthehead, do you believe in property rights? Do you believe in self-ownership? If you believe in self-ownership (you do, otherwise you could not use your vocal cords to talk back to me, or in this case, your fingers to type a response), then you must believe that I have the right to the fruits of my labor too, that is, property rights?  

 Do you believe in the principle of non-aggression? That I have the right to not have my body violated by others? If so, how can you not believe in property rights? They are two sides of the same coin. If non-aggression is valid, then i own my body and vice versa.



I'm simply widening the definition of 'the self'.  
From the mind and body, to the universe.

But if everyone owns everything, then clearly property rights would not exist as you could not defend your property against it being taken by force from someone.

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Quote: from Moridin at 4:40 pm on July 11, 2009

Quote: from Aimforthehead at 2:03 am on July 11, 2009

Quote: from Moridin at 1:15 pm on July 10, 2009

Aimforthehead, do you believe in property rights? Do you believe in self-ownership? If you believe in self-ownership (you do, otherwise you could not use your vocal cords to talk back to me, or in this case, your fingers to type a response), then you must believe that I have the right to the fruits of my labor too, that is, property rights?

  Do you believe in the principle of non-aggression? That I have the right to not have my body violated by others? If so, how can you not believe in property rights? They are two sides of the same coin. If non-aggression is valid, then i own my body and vice versa.


 
 I'm simply widening the definition of 'the self'.
 From the mind and body, to the universe.

But if everyone owns everything, then clearly property rights would not exist as you could not defend your property against it being taken by force from someone.



It's not so much having ownership over everything, it's having unrestricted access over everything.

There is no need for property rights to protect your property, as there is no need for property in the first place. That's not to say we won't have things. Houses, computers, etc. Those can be universally distributed, thus there is no basis behind saying there will be theft. For, why would someone steal something that is already free? Surely they couldn't sell it.

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So you don't believe in the existence of property rights? Notice that property rights extent to your own body.

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Quote: from Moridin at 5:06 pm on July 11, 2009

So you don't believe in the existence of property rights? Notice that property rights extent to your own body.

We've already been over that point =/
I don't believe property rights over resources or other people is necessarily a good thing, no.

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