LiveWire Network Peer Answers Peer Support Teen Forums Tech Forums College Forums 815 users online 225502 members 1451 active today Advertise Here Sign In
TeenCollegeTechPhotos | Quizzes | LiveSecret | Memberlist | Dictionary | News | FAQ
Member Spotlight
Sheebobee
The spaces between my fingers are right where yours f...
Mood: Pleased
You have 1 new message.
Emergency Help
Until you sign up you can't do much. Yes, it's free.

Sign Up Now
Membername:
Password:
Already have an account?
► Invite Friends
► Active Members
► Groups
► Contests
Moderators
5 online / 43 MPM
Fresh Topics
  LiveWire / Teen Forums / Religion & Philosophy / Viewing Topic

my God
Replies: 134 — Last Post July 25 7:57pm by LogicandReason
Welcome to LiveWire!
We're Stronger Together. 		Join the Community
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9  Next » Email Print Favorite
Stormblazer


Omnipotent One
Patron 		Reply
Quote: from belizabeth at 4:59 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from utheh at 3:58 pm on July 10, 2009
everyone has an imaginary friend

The thing is he is not imaginary. He is real.

For you, perhaps. You're welcome to believe in your God, but don't expect someone else to.

-------
Religion: Atheistic agnostic, political independent
Polyamory FAQ Relationships
4:22 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: April 2005 | Days Active: 449
Join to learn more about Stormblazer Colorado, United States | Label Free Male | Posts: 10,313 | Points: 17,396
LiveWire Humor
steath


Advisor 		Reply
Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 4:20 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from steath at 8:48 pm on July 10, 2009
You can still learn tho. But God did do it. NO WAY could so much energy just all of a sudden happen so that the universe is created. something has to make the energy. its not random. And you should know what you beleive and stand up for it.

I believe the energy was constant.
Nothing has to make the energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Its a little thing called Thermodynamics, brother. You need to give a better argument.


the second law of thermodynamics-requires usable energy to continually decrease and for the universe to become more random and disorganized

If this has happend for ever then there would be no energy now.

4:22 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2008 | Days Active: 34
Join to learn more about steath Texas, United States | Straight Male | Posts: 107 | Points: 460
( belizabeth )


Soothsayer
Sustainer 		Reply
Quote: from Stormblazer at 4:22 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 4:59 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from utheh at 3:58 pm on July 10, 2009
everyone has an imaginary friend
 

 The thing is he is not imaginary. He is real.

For you, perhaps. You're welcome to believe in your God, but don't expect someone else to.

I am aware of that.

-------
belizabeth is me.

4:25 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: July 2007 | Days Active: 492
Join to learn more about belizabeth Tennessee, United States | Label Free Female | Posts: 8,409 | Points: 13,923
BleedingSteelWings

Omnipotent One 		Reply
Quote: from steath at 8:52 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 4:20 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from steath at 8:48 pm on July 10, 2009
You can still learn tho. But God did do it. NO WAY could so much energy just all of a sudden happen so that the universe is created. something has to make the energy. its not random. And you should know what you beleive and stand up for it.
 
 I believe the energy was constant.  
 Nothing has to make the energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Its a little thing called Thermodynamics, brother. You need to give a better argument.

 
the second law of thermodynamics-requires usable energy to continually decrease and for the universe to become more random and disorganized

If this has happend for ever then there would be no energy now.


Who said it wasnt getting more random and disorganized? Youre missing the bigger picture.

-------
For you these wings bleed my enemies' blood
so I may one day fly...
4:25 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Sep. 2008 | Days Active: 316
Join to learn more about BleedingSteelWings Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada | Straight Male | Posts: 16,520 | Points: 19,674
steath


Advisor 		Reply
Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 4:25 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from steath at 8:52 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 4:20 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from steath at 8:48 pm on July 10, 2009
You can still learn tho. But God did do it. NO WAY could so much energy just all of a sudden happen so that the universe is created. something has to make the energy. its not random. And you should know what you beleive and stand up for it.

  I believe the energy was constant.
  Nothing has to make the energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Its a little thing called Thermodynamics, brother. You need to give a better argument.
 

 
 the second law of thermodynamics-requires usable energy to continually decrease and for the universe to become more random and disorganized  

 If this has happend for ever then there would be no energy now.


Who said it wasnt getting more random and disorganized? Youre missing the bigger picture.


energy is used up. You DO loose energy. mater cant be created or destroyed but energy IS used up.  If this has been using energy to crash and re-big bang then it would use incredible amounts of energy! you can not create any more energy than is availible.  

What is organization in a universe we cant even begen to understand?

What is the bigger picture?

4:28 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2008 | Days Active: 34
Join to learn more about steath Texas, United States | Straight Male | Posts: 107 | Points: 460
S0LITUDE


g u a p a
Patron
Support Leader 		Reply
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:03 am on July 11, 2009

Just look around you. Nothing came from nothing it had to be created.

where did God come from?

-------
All I know is that I know everything
-S0LITUDE
4:29 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2008 | Days Active: 365
Join to learn more about S0LITUDE Spain | Lesbian Female | Posts: 13,392 | Points: 33,062
( belizabeth )


Soothsayer
Sustainer 		Reply
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:29 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:03 am on July 11, 2009

 Just look around you. Nothing came from nothing it had to be created.

where did God come from?

He has always been.

-------
belizabeth is me.

4:29 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: July 2007 | Days Active: 492
Join to learn more about belizabeth Tennessee, United States | Label Free Female | Posts: 8,409 | Points: 13,923
BleedingSteelWings

Omnipotent One 		Reply
Quote: from steath at 8:58 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 4:25 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from steath at 8:52 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 4:20 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from steath at 8:48 pm on July 10, 2009
You can still learn tho. But God did do it. NO WAY could so much energy just all of a sudden happen so that the universe is created. something has to make the energy. its not random. And you should know what you beleive and stand up for it.

 I believe the energy was constant.
 Nothing has to make the energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Its a little thing called Thermodynamics, brother. You need to give a better argument.
   

   
the second law of thermodynamics-requires usable energy to continually decrease and for the universe to become more random and disorganized    

If this has happend for ever then there would be no energy now.


Who said it wasnt getting more random and disorganized? Youre missing the bigger picture.
 


energy is used up. You DO loose energy. mater cant be created or destroyed but energy IS used up.  If this has been using energy to crash and re-big bang then it would use incredible amounts of energy! you can not create any more energy than is availible.    

What is organization in a universe we cant even begen to understand?  

What is the bigger picture?


tsc-tsc-tsc. You're using your non-understanding as a sadly misplaced invitation to ignorance.
Just because YOU dont understand it doesnt mean that others cant.
Plus there is another theory. The Multiverse.
Plus, the 2nd law of Thermodynamics only applies to closed systems. Who is to say that the universe is not an open system?!

Post edited at 4:35 pm on July 10, 2009 by BleedingSteelWings

-------
For you these wings bleed my enemies' blood
so I may one day fly...

4:30 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Sep. 2008 | Days Active: 316
Join to learn more about BleedingSteelWings Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada | Straight Male | Posts: 16,520 | Points: 19,674
S0LITUDE


g u a p a
Patron
Support Leader 		Reply
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:29 am on July 11, 2009
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:29 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:03 am on July 11, 2009
 

  Just look around you. Nothing came from nothing it had to be created.

where did God come from?

He has always been.

But surely if he has always been, the samething could be said about the universe.

-------
All I know is that I know everything
-S0LITUDE
4:31 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2008 | Days Active: 365
Join to learn more about S0LITUDE Spain | Lesbian Female | Posts: 13,392 | Points: 33,062
( belizabeth )


Soothsayer
Sustainer 		Reply
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:31 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:29 am on July 11, 2009
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:29 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:03 am on July 11, 2009

  Just look around you. Nothing came from nothing it had to be created.

where did God come from?
 

 He has always been.

But surely if he has always been, the samething could be said about the universe.

yes some people may believe that but I do not see how that could be.

-------
belizabeth is me.

4:32 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: July 2007 | Days Active: 492
Join to learn more about belizabeth Tennessee, United States | Label Free Female | Posts: 8,409 | Points: 13,923
S0LITUDE


g u a p a
Patron
Support Leader 		Reply
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:32 am on July 11, 2009

yes some people may believe that but I do not see how that could be.

in the same manner that you imagine god could just be

-------
All I know is that I know everything
-S0LITUDE
4:33 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2008 | Days Active: 365
Join to learn more about S0LITUDE Spain | Lesbian Female | Posts: 13,392 | Points: 33,062
( belizabeth )


Soothsayer
Sustainer 		Reply
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:33 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:32 am on July 11, 2009

 yes some people may believe that but I do not see how that could be.

in the same manner that you imagine god could just be

Well that could be a possibility but he is real.

-------
belizabeth is me.

4:34 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: July 2007 | Days Active: 492
Join to learn more about belizabeth Tennessee, United States | Label Free Female | Posts: 8,409 | Points: 13,923
Forever Angel


Pectus Pectoris Memor
Sustainer 		Reply
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 6:31 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:29 am on July 11, 2009
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:29 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:03 am on July 11, 2009

  Just look around you. Nothing came from nothing it had to be created.

where did God come from?
 

 He has always been.

But surely if he has always been, the samething could be said about the universe.
At the moment, science says no.

-------
"God does not play dice" - Albert Einstein
"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica
4:34 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2005 | Days Active: 1,386
Join to learn more about Forever Angel Kansas, United States | Straight Female | Posts: 28,724 | Points: 55,805
( belizabeth )


Soothsayer
Sustainer 		Reply
Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:34 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 6:31 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:29 am on July 11, 2009
Quote: from S0LITUDE at 4:29 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:03 am on July 11, 2009
   

   Just look around you. Nothing came from nothing it had to be created.

where did God come from?

  He has always been.

But surely if he has always been, the samething could be said about the universe.
At the moment, science says no.

That is the truth.

-------
belizabeth is me.

4:36 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: July 2007 | Days Active: 492
Join to learn more about belizabeth Tennessee, United States | Label Free Female | Posts: 8,409 | Points: 13,923
S0LITUDE


g u a p a
Patron
Support Leader 		Reply
Quote: from belizabeth at 1:34 am on July 11, 2009

Well that could be a possibility but he is real.

I was not arguing about his existence. I was talking about the fact that you said there was no other explanation than God creating everything. I'm glad you have accepted the possibility, that just like God could just be, so could the universe, meaning that God is not the only explanation, and that the argument that God created everything is not any more satisfying or enlightening to the question "where did we come from?"

-------
All I know is that I know everything
-S0LITUDE
4:36 pm on July 10, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2008 | Days Active: 365
Join to learn more about S0LITUDE Spain | Lesbian Female | Posts: 13,392 | Points: 33,062
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9  Next » Email Print Favorite

Quick Reply

You are signed in as our guest.

Looking for something else?
 

  LiveWire / Teen Forums / Religion & Philosophy / Viewing Topic

© 2000-2009 LiveWire Peer Support Network
Custom Web Hosting | Teen Advice | Peer Support