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For those for, why do you support it?
It's untraditional and some even go as far as saying it's a gateway to bestiality.


For those against, why are you against it?
It's love and nobody can place a value on someone else's love, it doesn't cause disturbance to you as a person if you steer clear.

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Its natural. People should be with those who make them happy.

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I say give them identical rights as straight couples, if you don't like it being called marriage call it civil unions but give them identical rights as a couple.

I'm for that because as long as they are 2 consenting human adults they should be allowed to be with whomever they want.

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I'm all for it.


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Quote: from Karyssia at 1:54 pm on July 10, 2009

I'm all for it.


Why?

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Abolish the title of marriage in the legal sense. Create the institution of civil unions and make them available to couples of consenting age (or with parents' permission). Award rights and benefits to all members of the institution. Allow "marriage" to exist solely as a religious title, and allow respective religions to award the title to whomever they deem fit.

Equal rights for all is not equal and not allowed to all if a minority group wants access to these rights and benefits but are denied by religious powers in congress.

We are not a Christian state; we are not affiliated with any religion as much as some people would like to believe and as such should not be held to any one legal or moral standard according to specific religions... especially if those standards are inherently bigoted.

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Quote: from Midnight Lights at 11:51 am on July 10, 2009


For those for, why do you support it?
It's untraditional and some even go as far as saying it's a gateway to bestiality.


Non-traditional is a terrible, terrible reason to be against something. I shouldn't even need to list examples, but slavery is the first to come to mind.
For the latter, slippery slope arguments are weak at best, and that one in particular is bordering on a non-sequitr. It would be like trying to make the claim that any and all medication is a gateway to being a drug lord.
 

For those against, why are you against it?
It's love and nobody can place a value on someone else's love, it doesn't cause disturbance to you as a person if you steer clear.

There's really no reason to be for it if there are no good reasons against - IMO, liberty should be the default, not restriction. You need good reasons for restrictions, not liberty.



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I'm for equal rights for homosexuals in general because, even if our sexual orientations differ, we are all still humans with the same basic needs.


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Quote: from Micus at 11:58 am on July 10, 2009

Abolish the title of marriage in the legal sense. Create the institution of civil unions and make them available to couples of consenting age (or with parents' permission). Award rights and benefits to all members of the institution. Allow "marriage" to exist solely as a religious title, and allow respective religions to award the title to whomever they deem fit.
I agree with this. I would take it a step further and simply define civil unions as a special case of LLC's. It's pretty much that way already anyways.

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Quote: from Micus at 1:58 pm on July 10, 2009

Abolish the title of marriage in the legal sense. Create the institution of civil unions and make them available to couples of consenting age (or with parents' permission). Award rights and benefits to all members of the institution. Allow "marriage" to exist solely as a religious title, and allow respective religions to award the title to whomever they deem fit.

Equal rights for all is not equal and not allowed to all if a minority group wants access to these rights and benefits but are denied by religious powers in congress.

We are not a Christian state; we are not affiliated with any religion as much as some people would like to believe and as such should not be held to any one legal or moral standard according to specific religions... especially if those standards are inherently bigoted.


But this nation was founded by Christians and things like national ideologies or traditions can't change with time.


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Quote: from Midnight Lights at 8:51 pm on July 10, 2009


For those for, why do you support it?
It's untraditional and some even go as far as saying it's a gateway to bestiality.  

The fact that something is unnatural does not mean it is morally evil, monogamy is quite unnatural, yet you would hardly argue that monogamy is morally evil. Furthermore, homosexuality isn't even unnatural. Thousands of species have elements of homosexual behavior.

Why is consensual sex with another adult of the same species a gateway to non consensual rape with a member of another species?

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Quote: from HarrySunderland at 9:36 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Micus at 1:58 pm on July 10, 2009

Abolish the title of marriage in the legal sense. Create the institution of civil unions and make them available to couples of consenting age (or with parents' permission). Award rights and benefits to all members of the institution. Allow "marriage" to exist solely as a religious title, and allow respective religions to award the title to whomever they deem fit.  

 Equal rights for all is not equal and not allowed to all if a minority group wants access to these rights and benefits but are denied by religious powers in congress.  

 We are not a Christian state; we are not affiliated with any religion as much as some people would like to believe and as such should not be held to any one legal or moral standard according to specific religions... especially if those standards are inherently bigoted.


But this nation was founded by Christians and things like national ideologies or traditions can't change with time.


Religious lies. Most of the founding fathers where atheists and deists. the United States was founded to get away from Christians.

Traditions certainly can and should change with time. Slavery is an example of such a tradition, but maybe you think slavery is morally good? After all, both the old and new testament supports slavery.

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Quote: from Moridin at 3:03 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from HarrySunderland at 9:36 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Micus at 1:58 pm on July 10, 2009

Abolish the title of marriage in the legal sense. Create the institution of civil unions and make them available to couples of consenting age (or with parents' permission). Award rights and benefits to all members of the institution. Allow "marriage" to exist solely as a religious title, and allow respective religions to award the title to whomever they deem fit.

  Equal rights for all is not equal and not allowed to all if a minority group wants access to these rights and benefits but are denied by religious powers in congress.

  We are not a Christian state; we are not affiliated with any religion as much as some people would like to believe and as such should not be held to any one legal or moral standard according to specific religions... especially if those standards are inherently bigoted.


 

 But this nation was founded by Christians and things like national ideologies or traditions can't change with time.


Religious lies. Most of the founding fathers where atheists and deists. the United States was founded to get away from Christians.

Traditions certainly can and should change with time. Slavery is an example of such a tradition, but maybe you think slavery is morally good? After all, both the old and new testament supports slavery.


You realize that was exactly the point I was trying to make with my sarcasm right?


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Quote: from Midnight Lights at 10:51 am on July 10, 2009

For those for, why do you support it?
It's untraditional and some even go as far as saying it's a gateway to bestiality.

I support it because there's no reasonable justification for prohibiting it. Legal marriage bestows certain privileges and legal bonds upon a couple. Since there are those that form same-sex pair-bonds, there seems to be no reason why the scope of legal marriage shouldn't be expanded.

The idea that allowing any two consenting adults to wed would lead to bestiality is absurd. That anyone should even conceive of that connection is absurd.

"Man and woman, sure. Man and Man or Woman and Woman!? Obviously you'll want to marry your cows next!11!"


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Quote: from HarrySunderland at 10:09 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Moridin at 3:03 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from HarrySunderland at 9:36 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from Micus at 1:58 pm on July 10, 2009

Abolish the title of marriage in the legal sense. Create the institution of civil unions and make them available to couples of consenting age (or with parents' permission). Award rights and benefits to all members of the institution. Allow "marriage" to exist solely as a religious title, and allow respective religions to award the title to whomever they deem fit.    

  Equal rights for all is not equal and not allowed to all if a minority group wants access to these rights and benefits but are denied by religious powers in congress.    

  We are not a Christian state; we are not affiliated with any religion as much as some people would like to believe and as such should not be held to any one legal or moral standard according to specific religions... especially if those standards are inherently bigoted.


  But this nation was founded by Christians and things like national ideologies or traditions can't change with time.


 

 Religious lies. Most of the founding fathers where atheists and deists. the United States was founded to get away from Christians.  

 Traditions certainly can and should change with time. Slavery is an example of such a tradition, but maybe you think slavery is morally good? After all, both the old and new testament supports slavery.


You realize that was exactly the point I was trying to make with my sarcasm right?


I plead Poe's Law.

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