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I'm not sure if this has been brought up before but it's something that has started to catch my attention more and partially annoy me.

When I go to answer an eHelp I simply read the eHelp and reply. Other SLs seem to read other SLs replies and then answer. I think that's perfectly fine but the part that seems to bug me is when they reference to the other replies. I've gone back to look at certain eHelps that stick out to me and read other replies after I have just to see what others have to say. On quite a number of occasions I've had other SLs reference to my reply and state that they disagree with me. That's the part that really gets me. From what I'm aware we're all here to help and to give different view points to see what could best help the person. When they do that it almost seems as though they're trying to get the person to not even consider our reply.

Maybe I'm just being picky about this?
I don't expect there to be any solution to this I just wanted to see if anyone else has noticed this or your feelings toward it? :/

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What about if I just said, "I agree with so and so" and maybe explained a bit myself why I agreed? Or are you only talking about people who make reference and then disagree? If both I'm sorry and I'll try to be conscious of that so I won't do it (again).

Post edited at 10:34 am on Nov. 10, 2009 by hannybananny

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I'm new to this, so I haven't noticed, but what you're saying seems true. I agree that it's wrong to try and make them disregard replies. Like you said, we are all here to help. I think we should make it so that we can't reference other replies, even if it's in a negative way.

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As long as it's respectful disagreement, I don't have a problem with it.  I generally don't read the other replies unless it's medical/something involving a quick answer, in which case I don't want to provide all the same stuff.  But err yeah.  I see no reason why people can't offer multiple solutions to a problem and give a little critique of other solutions.  It seems like it would help the poster.

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Very rarely will I venture into reading what the other SL(s) have/has to say. I don't mind it but I do think that they should fairly different viewpoints that should be showcased in eHelps. For instance, I referenced your statement this morning because I felt that you hit the nail on the head and put into words something I wouldn't have regularly. Do I think it should become a habit of SLs to reference and compare/contrast themselves with the other SL(s)? No, you kill the point of making the statement if you add nothing that the person hasn't heard before.

I don't think it's a horribly big deal though.  

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Quote: from hannybananny at 1:32 pm on Nov. 10, 2009

What about if I just said, "I agree with so and so" and maybe explained a bit myself why I agreed? Or are you only talking about people who make reference and then disagree? If both I'm sorry.
Don't be sorry, you technically did nothing wrong.
I just feel that when you reference to another reply that it's not fully your opinion.

This wasn't about you though, dear. :)

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Quote: from Areola at 10:35 am on Nov. 10, 2009

Quote: from hannybananny at 1:32 pm on Nov. 10, 2009

What about if I just said, "I agree with so and so" and maybe explained a bit myself why I agreed? Or are you only talking about people who make reference and then disagree? If both I'm sorry.
Don't be sorry, you technically did nothing wrong.
I just feel that when you reference to another reply that it's not fully your opinion.

This wasn't about you though, dear. :)


Oh okay, and sorry. I just got worried it was, because I did say that I agreed with someone else lol. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Quote: from greatescape at 1:34 pm on Nov. 10, 2009

As long as it's respectful disagreement, I don't have a problem with it. I generally don't read the other replies unless it's medical/something involving a quick answer, in which case I don't want to provide all the same stuff. But err yeah. I see no reason why people can't offer multiple solutions to a problem and give a little critique of other solutions. It seems like it would help the poster.
I've had a SL apologize on my behalf before though for my response.

I don't know if you would take it offensively but I kind of did.

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I only use someone else's reply if I agree tbh, because I understand it's all about different perspectives. I'm sorry you have that if it happened to me it would feel like they were attacking my reply and discourage me.

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Quote: from Areola at 7:37 pm on Nov. 10, 2009

Quote: from greatescape at 1:34 pm on Nov. 10, 2009

As long as it's respectful disagreement, I don't have a problem with it.  I generally don't read the other replies unless it's medical/something involving a quick answer, in which case I don't want to provide all the same stuff.  But err yeah.  I see no reason why people can't offer multiple solutions to a problem and give a little critique of other solutions.  It seems like it would help the poster.
I've had a SL apologize on my behalf before though for my response.

I don't know if you would take it offensively but I kind of did.


Yeah I would consider that disrespectful.  Aside from medical things, ehelp stuff is entirely subjective so it's kind  of silly to say someone else is wrong.

I guess this is kind of what I was thinking...

OKAY:  "I have to disagree with _____ in saying that you should break up right away.  I definitely think that maybe..."  or  "Maybe I have a different source but I disagree with ____ who said that you're clinically depressed/bipolar/whatever"

Not Okay: "_____is wrong that's stupid", "The other reply is way off.  idk what they're thinking"  etc.


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I've always tried to give a response which references neither positively or negatively towards a previous reply by another SL.

I think this is good practice as it allows pools of support to accumulate, rather than "evaporating" someone else's and replacing it with my own.

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I completely agree. I honestly try just to answer the question on my own without reading the other responses. A lot of times I find that people are simply rehashing what other SLs have said in their posts.

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I think it's fine to carefully enter in something along the lines of "personally, I think differently than *other SL* on this particular topic...because....." and proceeding to explain why. I'd never do this, because I'm not usually one to read the other replies very often, I find it messes with my opinion and judgement if I do that. Plus if I read someone else's reply their points tend to stick in my mind and I forget what I was going to say.

I think if the second SL doesn't refer to the first, by saying something (gently) about them disagreeing, I think the recipient can get very confused very easily. They have one SL very solidly arguing for one point, and the other just as strongly for a different one. I think if the second SL is going to knowingly contradict the first, they should explain why they disagree with it. But keep in mind we are all trying to help, we've all experienced different things, and therefore have different opinions about things. No-one is right or wrong, it's all just a matter of opinion and advice.

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