Have we really got no control over the world now?

and pretty soon developed a global attitude of "fuck you, got mine!"

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well the world decided to be capitalist.  

and pretty soon developed a global attitude of "fuck you, got mine!"

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when did the world "decide" to become capitalist?

Couldn't it then just decide to be not capitalist?

On top of that, it shouldn't be our problem to sort out. This is why we put faith into our goverments politics, this is why we should have belief in our own goverments and countries. It's not our fault that these problems have been created, they've been going on for generation upon generation.

The only way they're going to be solved is by change. I guess the world just hasn't thought of a good enough change yet.

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I always hate statistics like that, because, really, what can we do? I mean that we shouldn't start lowering our living standards purely because there are others worse off than us. So kids are dying in Africa, I feel sorry, but it's not like we can just export food, water, and a shit ton of supplies safely, cheaply and easily to deal with the problem. It's too big and widespread to tackle on any scale. We have to help them build their economy and get them to support themselves, not just give aid in terms of perishable goods.

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Nobody does have the power to though. The problem is too out of hand to for one person to grasp control of.  

On top of that, it shouldn't be our problem to sort out. This is why we put faith into our goverments politics, this is why we should have belief in our own goverments and countries. It's not our fault that these problems have been created, they've been going on for generation upon generation.  

The only way they're going to be solved is by change. I guess the world just hasn't thought of a good enough change yet.

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So you agree that we have lost control of society and that we have alienated ourselves completely from the labour process and our species being?

If in feudalism a King wanted to do that, he would have only needed to say and the production process would have been altered. But not in this society.

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Quote: from UXnIHAOnUXbmUXn at 8:01 am on Nov. 11, 2009

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well the world decided to be capitalist.    

and pretty soon developed a global attitude of "fuck you, got mine!"

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when did the world "decide" to become capitalist?  

Couldn't it then just decide to be not capitalist?

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Post edited at 11:30 am on Nov. 11, 2009 by sk8er

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I'm not saying that the system cannot be improved, but to assume equal distribution is magically the answer, and that doing so won't negatively affect productivity, is foolish.

I can't posit a method for it, but it seems to me that science is rapidly reaching the point (though note has not yet reached it) of allowing truly autonomous resource generation.

If you managed to raise productivity, at least as it relates to basic resources of food/shelter/water, to an autonomous state through technology, only then can you hope to begin to solve these problems.
Even then, a system based on equal distribution will fail. A system that is, instead, based on a minimum standard of living is what you should be aiming for. Merit must play a role.

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