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Is there such a thing as "Normal" or is it a myth?
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On the one side, one could argue that there is no such thing as normal because everyone is an individual and has their own special traits and quirks; and that for someone to live by what they think is "normal" is stupid and delusional.

On the other side, one could argue that society has a set "norm" or mold that is expected of people. And anything that is not conforming to the norm is abnormal and therefore considered wrong by some.

But then who are we to label people? What gives us the right to expect all of the human race to conform to one set of standards? Wouldn't it be detrimental to the advancement of the human mind to consider those who are different abnormal? People fear the "abnormal" and they fear what they don't understand...and they begin to hate it. Hate poisons the mind, heart and soul, and people hate what they do not understand or what they think is abnormal.
So wouldn't it be better to embrace differences rather than shun them? Wouldn't it be better to accept people for who they are and celebrate their differences rather than hate them?

Hate doesn't just hurt the ones who are hated...it also hurts the individual doing the hating.
Is it not better to love people than to hate them?
And if not love, then at least live and let live?

Misunderstanding, ignorance and "normal" breed hate. How can one decide what is "normal"? By what the majority says?

If you open your minds, you might find that people you never thought you could relate to, aren't as "bad" as you thought.

What is your stance?
Agree or disagree?
Is normal a lie, a myth that is detrimental to the human race?
Or is there such a thing as normal and is it a good thing, or a bad thing?


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No such thing except in terms of statistics, and those generally apply to one thing (or one set of related things) at at time.

Anyone who considers something wrong merely because it is in the minority instead of the majority is committing a more generalized form of the naturalistic fallacy, not to mention they're likely a hypocrite since just about every imaginable trait is a minority item in some fashion.

Embracing differences actually does have some merit - for one thing, you avoid ideological stagnation by providing context, contrast, and alternative ideas (which may or may not be invalid).
Really, it's not all that unlike the benefits of genetic diversity - a more diverse system tends to be more resilient to change and disruption. And if there's one consistent thing about human reality, it's that it changes over time.

Short version: Normal only exists as a statistic. To give it ethical value is to not only commit the naturalistic fallacy, you're also probably mixing up correlation and causation, as well as running into the is-ought problem.

Post edited at 6:53 pm on Oct. 26, 2009 by Stormblazer

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It is a purely relative term.

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Quote: from Mabzie at 8:13 pm on Oct. 26, 2009

It is a purely relative term.  

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The middle of a bell curve isn't very relative at all. It's whether that means anything beyond simply a descriptive account that is the issue, and the answer is no.

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Is there such a thing as "Happy", "Sad", "Fun"?

These are all subjective notions that exist within our own minds, and as such, are at least 'chemically real.'

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I look at normal from a psychological perspective.  People who have psychological disorders away from the norm.  These norms are based a societal level and on how the general population behaves.  

Normal really changes from culture to culture.  In China, it's acceptable to regulate the genders of babies.  In the US, that isn't accepted or "normal".  It just depends on what perspective you're taking.

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There is no such thing as normal, as it relates to a person's reactions to a situation. Every person is unique, therefore everyone is different. If everyone is different from each other, how can a significant portion conform to the same image? They can't. Therefore, the image of being normal is an artificial creation that cannot exist based on the uniqueness of an individual

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I would argue that "normal" exists as much as tables do. A table isn't inherently a table in and of itself; no essence flows from its substance or form. To someone of another culture, what we consider a table might appear as four walking sticks atop which someone has, absurdly, mounted a piece of walking stick wood that hasn't been cut yet. Social construction is at play, but I can still use my table as a table (or a collection of walking sticks...).

As such I don't think that, in a conventional sense of speech, we should hesitate to label things normal or abnormal. A schizophrenic can still be insane. Your points about exclusion, hatred, and oppression stemming from such distinctions, however, certainly bear some amount of attention. We can't forget that our narratives about the world are, fundamentally, stories. Insane isn't so much an inherent quality as it is a proscribed construction. Placing too much faith in the idea of normal espoused by a given group of people at a given group of time opens one to the disturbing possibility of persecuting those who see walking sticks instead of tables.

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I say there is no such thing as normal. Normal is a perspective. If you are say... a 'chav' you would believe that you are normal and that the 'scene' people are weird. For the 'scene' people it would be completely the opposite. There can be no norm, because of the diversity in modern society.

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The normal is simply the average of all involved. Considering most of society has 10 fingers, it is normal to have 10 fingers, and abnormal to have 9 or 11.
Since a vast majority of society is heterosexual, it is normal to be heterosexual, and abnormal to be homosexual.

The problem is, as you say, that people fear and hate the abnormal. I think you're wrong about the solution, though. We shouldn't stop considering things normal or abnormal, because that's only treating a symptom. The real solution is that society needs to not dislike the abnormal simply because it's different.

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