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Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
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Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 11:13 am on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:16 am on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 12:02 pm on Nov. 22, 2009

I find it hilarious that you outright refuse to believe in any sort of global climate change.
What's really hilarious is your inability to read. The question isn't about "global climate change". It's about "man-made global warming".

 Where did you get the idea that I (or anyone) "outright refuse to believe in any sort of global climate change"? Global climate change has been taking place since the formation of this planet. Long before man came along. And I'm sure it will continue changing long after man is gone.


So you think that humans make no affect on it whatsoever?

It's been proven that humans release toxic amounts of chlorofluorocarbons into the atmosphere. That's a fact.

It's been proven that chlorofluorocarbons cause the o-zone layer to erode.  

It's been proven that the o-zone layer helps immensely to insulate the earth.  

It's been proven that the holes that are forming in the ozone layer have been caused by humans.


steady decline of about 4% per decade in the total volume of ozone in Earth's stratosphere (ozone layer) since the late 1970s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica fact file/science/ozone_hole.htm

Put two and two together, FA. We make a huge impact on the unhealthy warming and cooling of the planet. With 6.6 billion people on the planet- there's no way we aren't making an impact.


Can you tell me where you got the information that ozone depletion has any real relationship to global climate change... either warming or cooling?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:41 pm on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 11:13 am on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:16 am on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 12:02 pm on Nov. 22, 2009

I find it hilarious that you outright refuse to believe in any sort of global climate change.
What's really hilarious is your inability to read. The question isn't about "global climate change". It's about "man-made global warming".

Where did you get the idea that I (or anyone) "outright refuse to believe in any sort of global climate change"? Global climate change has been taking place since the formation of this planet. Long before man came along. And I'm sure it will continue changing long after man is gone.


So you think that humans make no affect on it whatsoever?

It's been proven that humans release toxic amounts of chlorofluorocarbons into the atmosphere. That's a fact.

It's been proven that chlorofluorocarbons cause the o-zone layer to erode.    

It's been proven that the o-zone layer helps immensely to insulate the earth.    

It's been proven that the holes that are forming in the ozone layer have been caused by humans.


steady decline of about 4% per decade in the total volume of ozone in Earth's stratosphere (ozone layer) since the late 1970s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica fact file/science/ozone_hole.htm

Put two and two together, FA. We make a huge impact on the unhealthy warming and cooling of the planet. With 6.6 billion people on the planet- there's no way we aren't making an impact.


Can you tell me where you got the information that ozone depletion has any real relationship to global climate change... either warming or cooling?


It insulates the earth, and keeps plant and animal life alive. The life on our planet has a lot to do with the climate.


The Ozone layer protects all life on Earth from the harmful effects of the Sun's rays.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/184/the-ozone-layer-and-climate-change


The ozone layer is a layer of gas in the upper atmosphere which protects humans and other living things from the harmful ultraviolet (UV-B) rays of the sun.

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/ozone/

Post edited at 4:05 pm on Nov. 23, 2009 by redhotchilis64

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Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 6:04 pm on Nov. 23, 2009

It insulates the earth, and keeps plant and animal life alive. The life on our planet has a lot to do with the climate.


The Ozone layer protects all life on Earth from the harmful effects of the Sun's rays.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/184/the-ozone-layer-and-climate-change


The ozone layer is a layer of gas in the upper atmosphere which protects humans and other living things from the harmful ultraviolet (UV-B) rays of the sun.

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/ozone/  


That's all fine and dandy, but where is the part about "global climate change"? As I said before, somewhere, global climate change has been occurring since the formation of the planet, long before life, long before humans. It will continue regardless of whether or not life (of any form) exists. I don't know where you get the idea that life on our planet has anything to do with climate change.

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Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 11:13 am on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:16 am on Nov. 23, 2009

Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 12:02 pm on Nov. 22, 2009

I find it hilarious that you outright refuse to believe in any sort of global climate change.
What's really hilarious is your inability to read. The question isn't about "global climate change". It's about "man-made global warming".

 Where did you get the idea that I (or anyone) "outright refuse to believe in any sort of global climate change"? Global climate change has been taking place since the formation of this planet. Long before man came along. And I'm sure it will continue changing long after man is gone.


So you think that humans make no affect on it whatsoever?

It's been proven that humans release toxic amounts of chlorofluorocarbons into the atmosphere. That's a fact.

It's been proven that chlorofluorocarbons cause the o-zone layer to erode.  

It's been proven that the o-zone layer helps immensely to insulate the earth.  

It's been proven that the holes that are forming in the ozone layer have been caused by humans.


steady decline of about 4% per decade in the total volume of ozone in Earth's stratosphere (ozone layer) since the late 1970s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica fact file/science/ozone_hole.htm

Put two and two together, FA. We make a huge impact on the unhealthy warming and cooling of the planet. With 6.6 billion people on the planet- there's no way we aren't making an impact.


1987 Montreal Protocol. CFCs have been 'phasing out' for decades.

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The ozone layer is not directly linked to the idea of global warming.

The facts have never sided with HIGW.  It is refreshing how in the past year the lack of evidence has been actually making itself known in public.


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Quote: from draakprinses at 10:56 pm on Nov. 19, 2009

Oh come on...Al Gore didn't REALLY even believe himself...I hope... That'd just be sad.

yes he did. he was always pretending to fly to the scene, with his cape on.

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Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 8:51 pm on Nov. 24, 2009

Quote: from draakprinses at 10:56 pm on Nov. 19, 2009

Oh come on...Al Gore didn't REALLY even believe himself...I hope... That'd just be sad.

yes he did. he was always pretending to fly to the scene, with his cape on.

Well, he DID invent the internet, after all.

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Quote: from draakprinses at 11:26 pm on Nov. 24, 2009

Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 8:51 pm on Nov. 24, 2009

Quote: from draakprinses at 10:56 pm on Nov. 19, 2009

Oh come on...Al Gore didn't REALLY even believe himself...I hope... That'd just be sad.
 
 yes he did. he was always pretending to fly to the scene, with his cape on.

Well, he DID invent the internet, after all.



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In response to a discussion started elsewhere (started and ended by you-know-who):

So you think that the Great Barrier Reef and all of the other oceans reefs put together have absolutely no affect on tides and the currents? The moon affects tides, and the Earth's climate and ocean conditions affect most of the currents. We're talking one hundred thirty three THOUSAND square miles of reef system, and that's just the one GBR. What about the other ones?

So....... really? The ocean's reefs have no major affect on the ocean's currents and tides?

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In response to a discussion started elsewhere (started and ended by you-know-who):

So you think that the Great Barrier Reef and all of the other oceans reefs put together have absolutely no affect on tides and the currents? The moon affects tides, and the Earth's climate and ocean conditions affect most of the currents. We're talking one hundred thirty three THOUSAND square miles of reef system, and that's just the one GBR. What about the other ones?

So....... really? The ocean's reefs have no major affect on the ocean's currents and tides?


Respond to this (http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ysnybye-support-yn.html#18) first, please.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 11:40 pm on Nov. 29, 2009

Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 10:35 pm on Nov. 29, 2009

In response to a discussion started elsewhere (started and ended by you-know-who):  

 So you think that the Great Barrier Reef and all of the other oceans reefs put together have absolutely no affect on tides and the currents? The moon affects tides, and the Earth's climate and ocean conditions affect most of the currents. We're talking one hundred thirty three THOUSAND square miles of reef system, and that's just the one GBR. What about the other ones?  

 So....... really? The ocean's reefs have no major affect on the ocean's currents and tides?


Respond to this (http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ysnybye-support-yn.html#18) first, please.

http://www.theozonehole.com/climate.htm

"Ozone affects climate, and climate affects ozone. Temperature, humidity, winds, and the presence of other chemicals in the atmosphere influence ozone formation, and the presence of ozone, in turn, affects those atmospheric constituents."

The ozone layer absolutely affects the climate, and vise versa. It isn't the main cause of GCC, but it definitely has a large affect on it.

"I don't know where you get the idea that life on our planet has anything to do with climate change."

Here's just one example of how life affects the climate. The ocean and it's tides and currents directly affect the climate- and coral reefs directly affect the tides and currents of the ocean.

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Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 10:42 pm on Nov. 29, 2009

Quote: from Forever Angel at 11:40 pm on Nov. 29, 2009

Quote: from redhotchilis64 at 10:35 pm on Nov. 29, 2009

In response to a discussion started elsewhere (started and ended by you-know-who):

  So you think that the Great Barrier Reef and all of the other oceans reefs put together have absolutely no affect on tides and the currents? The moon affects tides, and the Earth's climate and ocean conditions affect most of the currents. We're talking one hundred thirty three THOUSAND square miles of reef system, and that's just the one GBR. What about the other ones?

  So....... really? The ocean's reefs have no major affect on the ocean's currents and tides?


Respond to this (http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ysnybye-support-yn.html#18) first, please.

http://www.theozonehole.com/climate.htm

"Ozone affects climate, and climate affects ozone. Temperature, humidity, winds, and the presence of other chemicals in the atmosphere influence ozone formation, and the presence of ozone, in turn, affects those atmospheric constituents."

The ozone layer absolutely affects the climate, and vise versa. It isn't the main cause of GCC, but it definitely has a large affect on it.

"I don't know where you get the idea that life on our planet has anything to do with climate change."

Here's just one example of how life affects the climate. The ocean and it's tides and currents directly affect the climate- and coral reefs directly affect the tides and currents of the ocean.


How is any of that related to AGW?

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So I guess the fact that we are now heading into a 20+ year cooling cycle means absolutly nothing ot the fact that to date we've been having the 7th coolest year globally we've ever had. Lmao well once you wake up from all the libral baffle you'll see that global warming was nothing more then a cycle the earth went though an wasn't anything life threathening or even man made.

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To clarify something,

redhotchilis64:


Put two and two together, FA. We make a huge impact on the unhealthy warming and cooling of the planet. With 6.6 billion people on the planet- there's no way we aren't making an impact.

The planet produces a lot of the greenhouse gases naturally on its' own, but what humans have contributed with our emissions creates this 'huge impact.' Although compared to the amount of greenhouse gases that the Earth emits into the environment, human emission of these same gases seem inadequate. So it seems inadequate enough to really make any damage to the ozone layer. Wrong. I like to picture this scenario in this way: You fill up an entire tub with water and make sure the drain is plugged. You pull on the plug a little, and a little water gets out and you can hear it trickle down the drain. The water in the tub will eventually drain all the way out but, it'll take quite a while as the space open between the drain and the plug is minuscule. The small space represents the amount of greenhouse gases that we(humans) currently emit into the environment. It does not seem like much, but in time, it will make drastic disruptions to the environment via the ozone layer.

A lot of people rant about Al Gore. What exactly has he done? He has informed the general public about the most profound issue impacting our global society. He continues to endorse campaigns of alternative energy sources and greener technology. All he is trying to do is inform us. Something that a lot of people are lacking in our society right now as it seems we're all to transfixed in our own life pleasures that we can't give a shit about the environment. Our time is limited. The constant debates about whether Global Warming/Climate Change is true is absolutely ridiculous. There have been mass cases of Coral Bleaching in our Oceans, the Ice are clearly shrinking in size, many species have already felt the impact of warmer weather, and the Oceans are rising.

Why is it so wrong to believe something that is only good for us and our planet? Is it so hard to change some of our ways so that our fellow earthlings can prosper as we have? I understand the skepticism, and I do know that Earth has a warming and cooling period but, the fact is is that our planet is warming right now. Climate Change is something that will happen over a long period of time. Temperatures won't drastically rise within a few years. There is a CLEAR difference between Climate and Weather.

So if someone complains again about there being so much snow at wherever they live so global warming CAN'T be true, they better back it up with evidence other than the WEATHER in their country. Do you honestly think GLOBAL WARMING will occur right away? You have to account all the natural cycles of nature that can create differences in weather. Especially when it concerns the oceans, where warmer water leads to more PRECIPITATION.

Anyway, to the post about the article made by the topic creator, I'd like to take out a few things from the same article as well:

Even though the temperature standstill probably has no effect on the long-term warming trend, it does raise doubts about the predictive value of climate models, and it is also a political issue. For months, climate change skeptics have been gloating over the findings on their Internet forums. This has prompted many a climatologist to treat the temperature data in public with a sense of shame, thereby damaging their own credibility.

So even though temperatures have fluctuated in different regions in the past 10 years, the scientists still agree that the LONG-TERM warming trend will still occur on our planet. So like I mentioned before, global warming is aimed at long term affects that build up and result in climate change.

The differences among individual regions of the world are considerable. In the Arctic, for example, temperatures rose by almost three degrees Celsius, which led to a dramatic melting of sea ice. At the same time, temperatures declined in large areas of North America, the western Pacific and the Arabian Peninsula. Europe, including Germany, remains slightly in positive warming territory.

Another snippet from the article that proves my point. These differences are largely influenced by the oceans that surround them and their position on the planet, of course.

"We have to explain to the public that greenhouse gases will not cause temperatures to keep rising from one record temperature to the next, but that they are still subject to natural fluctuations," says Latif.

There are various types of 'natural fluctuations' that can occur during our global warming crisis and the article lists many of them. Although these fluctuations should not be taken to prove that global warming is not happening. People who have not done their research will be the ones likely to point out a minor and temporary change of weather in their region without realizing that it is only a natural fluctuation. -.-

"Perhaps we suggested too strongly in the past that the development will continue going up along a simple, straight line. In reality, phases of stagnation or even cooling are completely normal," says Latif.

As the article states, La Nina and El Nino can have huge impacts on the temperature of many regions near the Pacific. If I'm not wrong, I think I read somewhere that La Nina occurred last year, linking to the uncommon coldness of weather in many areas.

If the deep waters of the Pacific are, in fact, the most important factor holding up global warming, climate change will remain at a standstill until the middle of the next decade, says Latif. But if the cooling trend is the result of reduced solar activity, things could start getting warmer again much sooner. Based on past experience, solar activity will likely increase again in the next few years.

Another reason for fluctuations in global temperature - reduced solar activity - but, lets hope that's not the case because then we'll have to move faster about green technology and alternative energy sources and I highly doubt that will happen. People are resistant to change, which is only natural because ALL animals are resistant to change. But being intelligent beings I think that is something we should overcome.

Anyway, I kind of ranted a lot about a lot of different things so if I included something that was off topic sorry about that.


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"Climatologists - what is it that these scientists seem so anxious to hide? The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction - to lower past temperatures and to 'adjust' recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming."

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