LiveWire Network Peer Answers Peer Support Teen Forums Tech Forums College Forums 415 users online 222819 members 410 active today Advertise Here Sign In
TeenCollegeTechPhotos | Quizzes | LiveSecret | Memberlist | Dictionary | News | FAQ
Member Spotlight
Placebo Effect
Movies: Fight Club. Crash. The Gangs of Ne...
Mood: Moody
You have 1 new message.
Emergency Help
Until you sign up you can't do much. Yes, it's free.

Sign Up Now
Membername:
Password:
Already have an account?
Invite Friends
Active Members
Groups
Contests
Moderators
4 online / 15 MPM
Fresh Topics
  LiveWire / Teen Forums / The Intellectual Forum / Viewing Topic

UK drug policy
Replies: 4Last Post Nov. 8 6:41pm by Blackadder
Welcome to LiveWire!
We're Stronger Together.
Join the Community
Single page for this topic Email Print Favorite
Web Resources: Drug Myths Dispelled, Drug & Alcohol Information
USA Drug Abuse Hotline: 1-800-662-4357
( neonPEG )


Wealthy Hobo

Patron
Support Leader
Reply

thisthis has been happening in the uk at the moment. our leading expert on drugs came out & said that he didn't agree with the fact that cannabis is classified as dangerous as speed & only just less than ecstasy whilst alcohol & tobacco are perfectly legal. based on years worth of studies & built up evidence he said that cannabis & ecstasy are no where near as harmful as alcohol & tobacco causing the government to try & 'please' people by sacking him immediately, based on the fact that he was not supporting the governments policies.

but it is not his job to support their policies, Professor Nutt has no reason to side with them or produce propaganda for them, he is there to present them with the evidence & hope (although they mostly don't) listen too him.

in fact what he said is completely true. barely anyone dies of ecstasy abuse (he said it was as dangerous as horse riding as the statistics are similar) & yet millions of money is spent on the effect of alcohol & tobacco abuse, just in the UK alone. but the fact is that the government makes a hell of a lot of money off it so they choose to brush that under the carpet & pour money into campaigns on responsible drinking. there is no such scheme to promote responsible drug experimentation, in fact the government choose to ignore the problem almost completely, basing their classification system on nothing more (seemingly) than social perceptions on drug use.

instead of ignoring the problem so as to not cause any controversy maybe they need to sit down & realize how much drugs impact of the lives of young people (& any drug user for that matter) & how they can best equip them with dealing with the presence of drugs. instead of putting all their energy into arguing over a relatively minor (although widely used) 'addiction' such as cannabis, shouldn't we be concentrating on teaching young kids that being addicted to things like ketamine (only a class C drug when i personally know more people destroyed my ketamine than any other class b or c drug), heroin, cocaine & crystal meth are MUCH more harmful to themselves, society & the people around them.

it's hard for a government to admit that drug taking does go on & that there's nothing they can do to stop that. but they should be concerned about the amount of people (young especially) who go out into the world & are taken advantage of without knowing enough to protect themselves.

What do you think?

*herehere is the classification as it stands in the uk

(& apologies for the lack of capitals i wrote it on my blog first, it's an aesthetic thing)

-------
you'd be a rubbish squirrel


9:33 am on Nov. 4, 2009 | Joined: Jan. 2009 | Days Active: 81
Join to learn more about neonPEG England, United Kingdom | Straight Female | Posts: 1,821 | Points: 5,915
LiveWire Humor
Total Destruction


Guru

Patron
Reply
I think the UN should initiate a strict policy on drugs laws, and should severely crack down on drug use. I seriously don't believe that marijuana is a "damagnig" or a "gateway" drug.

-------
The ___... it brings the ___
Mein Brüder ist Josh

9:35 am on Nov. 4, 2009 | Joined: May 2008 | Days Active: 332
Join to learn more about Total Destruction California, United States | Straight Male | Posts: 18,169 | Points: 23,480
allsmiles


Enlightened One

Patron
Reply
Quote: from neonPEG at 5:33 pm on Nov. 4, 2009

yet millions of money is spent on the effect of alcohol & tobacco abuse, just in the UK alone. but the fact is that the government makes a hell of a lot of money off it so they choose to brush that under the carpet & pour money into campaigns on responsible drinking.

It's not socially possible to outlaw alcohol or tobacco. Can you imagine the furore it'd cause? Hell, alcohol's one of the only things I'd march on parliament to keep, and I try my hardest not to get involved in politics much more than mild debate. There's no real justification to legalise drugs, the only reason that alcohol and tobacco are still legal is because any government that outlaws then would be overthrown.

-------
When they leave me, they're all smiles.
When they leave you, they're in tears.


5:33 pm on Nov. 4, 2009 | Joined: Aug. 2007 | Days Active: 573
Join to learn more about allsmiles England, United Kingdom | Male | Posts: 8,886 | Points: 15,946
Wilder


Connoisseur of Hallucination

Patron
Support Leader
Reply
Quote: from allsmiles at 6:33 pm on Nov. 4, 2009

Quote: from neonPEG at 5:33 pm on Nov. 4, 2009

yet millions of money is spent on the effect of alcohol & tobacco abuse, just in the UK alone. but the fact is that the government makes a hell of a lot of money off it so they choose to brush that under the carpet & pour money into campaigns on responsible drinking.

It's not socially possible to outlaw alcohol or tobacco.


In case you haven't noticed, these aren't the only two drugs that this applies to. Just like prohibition of alcohol was ignored, prohibition of cannabis (and, to a lesser extent, other drugs) is ignored.


There's no real justification to legalise drugs
Respecting the rights of individuals, the fact that there really aren't any significant negative factors to legalizing many substances (namely ones like LSD and MDMA that are non-addictive and safer than cannabis), and the fact that billions of dollars are wasted on (failing to) prevent people from using these substances all seem pretty real to me.

Honestly, this all reminds me of Foucault's power-knowledge; the UK's government (and my own) simply refuses to accept scientific data that disagrees with those in power. But don't take my word for it:

"I cannot have public confusion between scientific advice and policy and have therefore lost confidence in your ability to advise me as chair of the ACMD."
-Home Secretary Alan Johnson in his letter dismissing Professor David Nutt for daring to present scientific data that disagreed with government policy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8334774.stm

Fucking disgraceful.

-------
"Hey, that's not very nice, Mayor--
just because a person's gay doesn't mean he's a fag!"
-Stan


9:13 pm on Nov. 4, 2009 | Joined: Dec. 2005 | Days Active: 1,081
Join to learn more about Wilder Colorado, United States | Gay Male | Posts: 8,843 | Points: 33,212
Blackadder


Dairy Product Addict
Reply
http://www.badscience.net/2009/11/the-nutt-sack-affair-part-493/

-------
The truth is what money can be made from a lie.

6:41 pm on Nov. 8, 2009 | Joined: Oct. 2004 | Days Active: 1,119
Join to learn more about Blackadder England, United Kingdom | Straight Male | Posts: 4,629 | Points: 15,937
Single page for this topic Email Print Favorite

Quick Reply

Prereq. Intellectual Test
You are signed in as our guest.

Looking for something else?
 

  LiveWire / Teen Forums / The Intellectual Forum / Viewing Topic