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Moral relativism is false and lazy
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There are so many different competing moral philosophies (Aristotelian ethics, Aquinas's natural law theory, Hume's theory of moral sentiments, Kant's Categorical Imperative, to name a few). Each one has some very compelling arguments. I think that anyone who can't find ONE that he or she agrees with is intellectually lazy (either he/she hasn't heard of these philosophies -- which one really should have to have -- or he/she doesn't FEEL like reading them -- which one ought to . The relativist can't reasonably argue that ANYTHING is morally right or wrong, so it's not really possible to live as a moral relativist.

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I think you have a case of oversimplificationitis.

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How does one go about reading them?

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they're just emphasizing the under lying shades of grey between the black and white

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Quote: from Casey Burns at 1:13 am on Nov. 4, 2009

How does one go about reading them?

Go to the library or a bookstore. Check out or buy Aristotle's "Nicomachean Ethics", or Aquinas's "Summa Theologiae," or Hume's "Treatise of Human Nature," or Kant's "Fundamental Principles of the Metaphysics of Morals," or John Stuart Mill's "Utilitarianism" and start reading. Preferably with a highlighter.

Or even get a watered-down version of them with a regular Ethics book (Ethics by James P. Sterba should do just fine).

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Quote: from coffee brown at 1:22 am on Nov. 4, 2009

they're just emphasizing the under lying shades of grey between the black and white

What does that even mean in this context?

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I thought moral relativism was the assertation that no one moral philosophy was right, and/or that it was silly to expect different cultures, groups, etc to hold up our own society's morals? I'm hardly ever right though, so.

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Quote: from foxtrotsmith at 1:26 am on Nov. 4, 2009

Quote: from coffee brown at 1:22 am on Nov. 4, 2009

they're just emphasizing the under lying shades of grey between the black and white

What does that even mean in this context?



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Each one has some very compelling arguments. I think that anyone who can't find ONE that he or she agrees with is intellectually lazy (either he/she hasn't heard of these philosophies -- which one really should have to have -- or he/she doesn't FEEL like reading them -- which one ought to .
Agreeing with a moral philosophy does not preclude one from being a moral relativist. I largely align myself with with the ethics of Rawls and, to a lesser extent, utilitarianism, but I would still consider myself to be a moral relativist.


The relativist can't reasonably argue that ANYTHING is morally right or wrong, so it's not really possible to live as a moral relativist.
I'm quite successfully living without arguing that anything is objectively right or wrong.

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Quote: from foxtrotsmith at 2:05 am on Nov. 4, 2009

There are so many different competing moral philosophies (Aristotelian ethics, Aquinas's natural law theory, Hume's theory of moral sentiments, Kant's Categorical Imperative, to name a few). Each one has some very compelling arguments. I think that anyone who can't find ONE that he or she agrees with is intellectually lazy (either he/she hasn't heard of these philosophies -- which one really should have to have -- or he/she doesn't FEEL like reading them -- which one ought to . The relativist can't reasonably argue that ANYTHING is morally right or wrong, so it's not really possible to live as a moral relativist.

Thoughts?


I wouldn't say Aquina's natural law ideas were very compelling at all, it was nothing more than morality based on the whim of some arbitrary God.

Kant, Hume, and even Mill were all much better. Aristotle gets off for virtue ethics, otherwise he wouldn't be all that relevant.

I agree that it isn't possible to live as a true moral relativist - if you want a hilarious argument go tell that to Kaijew - but there are limitations of the objective models too.

@Wilder: Relative to what then?


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Quote: from foxtrotsmith at 2:05 am on Nov. 4, 2009

There are so many different competing moral philosophies (Aristotelian ethics, Aquinas's natural law theory, Hume's theory of moral sentiments, Kant's Categorical Imperative, to name a few). Each one has some very compelling arguments. I think that anyone who can't find ONE that he or she agrees with is intellectually lazy (either he/she hasn't heard of these philosophies -- which one really should have to have -- or he/she doesn't FEEL like reading them -- which one ought to . The relativist can't reasonably argue that ANYTHING is morally right or wrong, so it's not really possible to live as a moral relativist.

Thoughts?


I wouldn't say Aquina's natural law ideas were very compelling at all, it was nothing more than morality based on the whim of some arbitrary God.

Kant, Hume, and even Mill were all much better. Aristotle gets off for virtue ethics, otherwise he wouldn't be all that relevant.

I agree that it isn't possible to live as a true moral relativist - if you want a hilarious argument go tell that to Kaijew - but there are limitations of the objective models too.

@Wilder: Relative to what then?


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@Wilder: Relative to what then?
I'm not sure that I fully understand what you're getting at with this question, but my basic argument is that ethics comprises of logical statements proceeding from value statements that vary from individual to individual and culture to culture and cannot be logically preferenced over one another.

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