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Quote: from Ass FUCK Supreme at 5:22 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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I meant reward points bro. Days active: 177. I can earn so much more on this one within a short period of time.  
 I'm missing an incentive to be "good".  
 

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If you do not assign value for yourself as to what the account means to you, nobody else can for you.s. If you like Vile, you can get it back if you're good. If you don't want Vile, you can continue doing what you did and continue the cycle of accounts. Just know that for every time you're banned for the same shit (after the third time), you're going to be banned for longer than those initial seven days.

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LOL.
It's ironic you chose that topic, cause my point was proved on the first page...

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What are you questioning about the 4 month rule? Why we have it, or why it's 4 months? It's 4 months because that's the option that gained the most amount of support. We have it because a majority of moderators believe we should eventually reward good behavior by returning their old accounts (I am not of that belief). However, a majority agree that there should be a substantial time frame before the account is pardoned.

And no, you are not here doing the same things. If you were, you'd be banned again. "Walking the line" works for everyone, and that's all we ask.

Post edited at 3:11 pm on Nov. 6, 2009 by The Professional

Why do you have the 4 month wait aside from the 7 day rule? If you're going to allow them to come back on the site, give them back the old account. It's still the same user on an alter account. Weren't all the 2007 topics deleted to make space? If you cut down the useless waiting, that problem would be managed. The useless troll accounts would be discouraged as well.

The rewarding for good behavior skit is bs, cause I wasn't banned for not being in good behavior, I was banned for aiming to attack. I've stopped that on this account. Why do I have to wait 4 months to show that I get it?  

The rule was set in place to prevent bad behavior, it's failing. Hard.

Post edited at 3:58 pm on Nov. 6, 2009 by Peril

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The pardoning of an account is there to reward good behavior.  Banning them and then returning the account after seven days would just be going in circles.  Most people take the banning of an account, especially if it's a older account, fairly seriously.  It has their history and reputation attached to it, why wouldn't they?  No, all 2007 topics were not deleted to make space, btw.

I'm not sure which part you think is bullshit.  Whatever you were banned for, it comes down to bad behavior.  Why would we reward your bad behavior with returning an account to you that was banned rightfully?  You are the one that went through the process and you are the one that chose to have your account banned.  You will be forced to wait the 4 months just like everyone else who is rightfully banned.  You should've listened to the initial formal warning.

I'm not sure what the last part of your post means.  What rule?  The 4 month rule?  How is it failing?  We pardon accounts fairly frequently BECAUSE people have behaved for 4 months.  Some we reban, some stay on that account for extended periods of time.  Of course everyone isn't going to want the account back, and some will not behave to even have the option, but what type of system do you suggest to combat that more consistently?

Post edited at 4:21 pm on Nov. 6, 2009 by The Professional

it was once though.

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I wish we didnt pardon accounts. I wish nce gone, always gone, but thats not our currentpardon policy.

it was once though.

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I remember it use to be just straight up you were banned you were banned, no return

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Quote: from barnabas at 6:21 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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I wish we didnt pardon accounts. I wish nce gone, always gone, but thats not our currentpardon policy.  

 it was once though.

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yeah when did that change?

I remember it use to be just straight up you were banned you were banned, no return

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over the last couple of years it has slowly loosened.

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Quote: from SpRiNgS at 9:20 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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Quote: from barnabas at 6:21 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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I wish we didnt pardon accounts. I wish nce gone, always gone, but thats not our currentpardon policy.

  it was once though.

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yeah when did that change?  

 I remember it use to be just straight up you were banned you were banned, no return

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over the last couple of years it has slowly loosened.

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around that time

but sometimes the pardon system works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm sure we have a few "success" stories around lw as we speak

like wasn't Raven pardoned?

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Quote: from barnabas at 7:22 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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Quote: from SpRiNgS at 9:20 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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Quote: from barnabas at 6:21 pm on Nov. 6, 2009

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I wish we didnt pardon accounts. I wish nce gone, always gone, but thats not our currentpardon policy.    

  it was once though.

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yeah when did that change?

  I remember it use to be just straight up you were banned you were banned, no return

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 over the last couple of years it has slowly loosened.

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i'd like to say around like 07?

around that time

but sometimes the pardon system works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm sure we have a few "success" stories around lw as we speak

like wasn't Raven pardoned?

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what type of system do you suggest to combat that more consistently?

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You stated that giving back the account after seven days is just a pointless cycle. You realize, they are still present on the site. So you must agree it's also as pointless to let banned members back in 7 days. The account difference isn't exactly a barrier to prevent a spammer from spamming. Just motivation to keep doing it under varied aliases.

I acknowledge, to some regard, spammers, trolls, and whatever else there are(child molesters), won't ever be stopped completely. However, insisting the four month rule was set in place to discourage, or pose some sort ot incentive, is stupid. The authorities here have more to lose than the banned members.

A more efficient way would be to let members get back the account, retain warnings, and limit privileges. I mean they are back anyways right? Might as well just give them the account back if they desire it. Then, if they are still continue in the same trend, after that once, have them stay away for more than 7 days. Make the waiting period greater(More than 21 days). That way, when they are back again, they value it. It also shouldn't be an auto, if they want their account back, they should plead their case. If then, after they've been pardoned, they fuck up, they should be perma banned.

Speaking as someone who'd been previously banned, not from someone that seeks a productive future here...

Knowing there are a shitload of ways I could easily return, and troll out of boredom, or just wait out the full 7 days, I would just keep doing the same things. It's a given that I would just return in 7 days. There are so many examples I could list.

A few:
Bearsy
InfinitiplusRock
Dayvd
Duffcawk
Anti Christ
Thuggen
Scottyrob
Sexflower
LEONIDOS
drick
CantStop
ModsBlowMe
funguy11
Gonzalo
Members warned several times, and kept at the same thing.

I am aware a few of them are permanently banned. I'm referencing their pre-perma ban days. They were constantly returning within the time limits, and continuing in the same fashion, damning the consequences. Why didn't the 4 months incentive come to play here? It's fair to say all of them will be back, if they aren't already. Even the ones that are real threats always find ways to return.

See it this way: If you think people need more time to wait to change, why let them back in 7 days? Isn't that setting them up for failure? You're indirectly enabling them to comeback, and misbehave. If you think the four months thing is the way to go, let the same apply for the ban waiting period.

When you say: Stay in time out for 7 days, then come back, or we'll ban you for another 7 days, then you do it, then we ban you for another 7 days, then 21 days, then another 21 days, then you get to stay away 'permanently'. Even then you can still ask to come back...What kind of BS is that?

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