However, when another poster did attempt to look for the study, he came by a draft of it (which is available for free online), shown in this post.  As with most drafts, you cannot cite a draft without the author's explicit permission.  The thing is, Kidd Rune did not cite the draft of the article in his OP - he cited the published version of it, which does not need the author's explicit permission to be cited.

So can any of the mods actually justify why Kidd Rune was formally warned for plagiarism when it's evident that he did not plagiarize a thing?  Do the mods actually know what plagiarism is and the difference between a draft and a fully published study?

And yes, I do have Kidd Rune's permission to divulge this information about the nature of his warning.

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Fair point, can't wait to see the rebuttle.

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There won't be one.

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The informal warning was over a year ago so if anything then an informal would have sufficed and a formal wouldn't have been necessary.

However someone reported a specific PDF that says "**Please do not cite without authors' permission** " so the moderator in question acted on what information they had, so there's no need to start throwing accusations and misinformation about.

Do I know what plagiarism is? Definitely, we are made so well aware of it in my course that they literally slap us in the face with us. I don't like the accusatory tone of your topic though, we're not pulling shit out of the air, we are acting based on what information we are told and understand.

Personally I don't think a warning is needed at all, and I wouldn't support an informal warning either.

Post edited at 1:07 pm on Oct. 17, 2009 by marshmellowman

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given that you need to purchase the rights to view the whole study through some database or the study itself

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It wasn't exactly EVIDENT that he didn't plagiarize a thing as he's taken sources from that same site before and been warned about at least clearing it before. Yet, he did it again and was warned for it. A heads up would be nice before using such sources at least

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When I was warned about plagiarism I was a noob that just came from the forum and posted long globs of text that weren't mine and gave no source at all. Big difference.

A heads up before using such sources? What do you mean? I gave the author's names, the doi, and the title, what more do you want? I didn't use the draft as I said, did you see "Draft" anywhere in my citation?

I cited the study, which doesn't need permission at all.

Try harder, sir.

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However someone reported a specific PDF that says "**Please do not cite without authors' permission** " so the moderator in question acted on what information they had, so there's no need to start throwing accusations and misinformation about.

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This information could have been obtained by following the citation Kidd Rune posted in his OP.  Instead, the moderator who formally warned KR didn't follow up on that citation and instead took the word of the person who reported it at face value.  Had they followed up and checked out the source KR cited, they would have found it was fully legitimate unless they had no idea what plagiarism actually is.

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that and the member who reported it really didn't know if kidd rune got the request as well

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Quote: from SpRiNgS at 4:04 pm on Oct. 17, 2009

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It wasn't exactly EVIDENT that he didn't plagiarize a thing as he's taken sources from that same site before and been warned about at least clearing it before. Yet, he did it again and was warned for it. A heads up would be nice before using such sources at least

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Taken sources from that same site? What site, sciencedirect?  
You mean I "Took" text, or really just copied and cited it?  
I have linked to it?  
What?  

When I was warned about plagiarism I was a noob that just came from the forum and posted long globs of text that weren't mine and gave no source at all. Big difference.  

A heads up before using such sources? What do you mean? I gave the author's names, the doi, and the title, what more do you want? I didn't use the draft as I said, did you see "Draft" anywhere in my citation?  

I cited the study, which doesn't need permission at all.  

Try harder, sir.

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and idk what you mean by try harder but I'll keep that in mind

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Post edited at 1:13 pm on Oct. 17, 2009 by SpRiNgS

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 1:06 pm on Oct. 17, 2009

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However someone reported a specific PDF that says "**Please do not cite without authors' permission** " so the moderator in question acted on what information they had, so there's no need to start throwing accusations and misinformation about.

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This information could have been obtained by following the citation Kidd Rune posted in his OP. Instead, the moderator who formally warned KR didn't follow up on that citation and instead took the word of the person who reported it at face value. Had they followed up and checked out the source KR cited, they would have found it was fully legitimate unless they had no idea what plagiarism actually is.

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