Dr. Adrian Rogers, Former Pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis, TN.

Is this quote in agreement on or not with the Obama administration?

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Moreover, its not clear the poor really wish to be in the position they are in. And, i think, that given the choice many would prefer independence over handouts.

these two facts, I think, mean that such comments do not make for a strong argument.

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It is not however a particually strong rebuttal of obamas ideas however: -- It will simply never be the case that that "...it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what  
they work for" for this statement to be true, taxes would really have to be very high indeed.  

Moreover, its not clear the poor really wish to be in the position they are in. And, i think, that given the choice many would prefer independence over handouts.  

 
these two facts, I think, mean that such comments do not make for a strong argument.

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First off true taxes are not very high but he is looking to increase the tax on the rich so that he may give to the poor. Secondly, if the poor really did not want to be in the position that they are in; then there is one or three things they could have done, to show that they don't want to be in the position that they are in:

  1.) They could have gotten a very good education while they were young and not dropped out of high school. (if they dropped out)

  2.) They should have decided to continue with an education by going into college, if they finished high school.

  3.) If the government would stop giving handouts to people then maybe the people would stop being lazy and try and find themselves some type of work to do (walfare).

  The government gives anyone who would come to apply and lie and say that they don't have enough money or say that they have a hard life and just can't handle things. When in actuality they have everything. My mom is a single parent, she works her tail-in day in and day out. You know what the only thing that the government actually gives her is just the money she gets back on taxes. That is it, she doesn't get any type of foodstamps, and all this type of junk. She is barly making herself, and sometimes, she ask me for money. Do you see the government helping her out? She has to take care of me, herself, rent, car note, internet and phone bill, light bill, and groecery bill all by herself working a fulltime job getting paid 8- maybe 9 dollars and hour. So you can't say that the people prefer independence over handouts because it seems to me that they prefer the handouts.

  Well let me go even deeper into this. If people prefered independence over handouts then why is the U.S.A in such a debt now....if we are supposedly suppose to prefer independence over handouts? It seems to me that people prefer handouts more then their own independence and that is why we are slowly slipping into a state of socialism. They are trying to divide wealth to get a product but all they are getting is a difference. Which is cause our nation to fall.

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First off true taxes are not very high but he is looking to increase the tax on the rich so that he may give to the poor.

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Secondly, if the poor really did not want to be in the position that they are in; then there is one or three things they could have done, to show that they don't want to be in the position that they are in:

  1.) They could have gotten a very good education while they were young and not dropped out of high school. (if they dropped out)

  2.) They should have decided to continue with an education by going into college, if they finished high school.

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Ouch. I think this in niaeve and insensitive.

If you ever take a sociology class, one of the first things they will point out is that: the problem with a meritocracy, is that people start the race behind everyone else.

If you go to a bad school, and have no family support, cash for books etc then it is, quite obvoiusally, far harder to suceed at school.   And often this means that getting your own children to suceed at school is far harder. the cycle continues.At the end of the day, sucess seems to bread sucess.  

moreove education is not plausible for everyone. If you are stupid, for example, is it really the case that you deserve to be poor ?

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  3.) If the government would stop giving handouts to people then maybe the people would stop being lazy and try and find themselves some type of work to do (walfare).  

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Very few goverments in the world actually give handouts, rather, the overall philosophy is to get people to help themselves.

Moreover, since there is quite a social stigma attached to living off benifits, more people would prefer to earn a living than recieve handouts.

In short, I do not then wellfare systems necessarily encourage laziness.

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  The government gives anyone who would come to apply and lie and say that they don't have enough money or say that they have a hard life and just can't handle things. When in actuality they have everything. My mom is a single parent, she works her tail-in day in and day out. You know what the only thing that the government actually gives her is just the money she gets back on taxes. That is it, she doesn't get any type of foodstamps, and all this type of junk. She is barly making herself, and sometimes, she ask me for money. Do you see the government helping her out?

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Lol.

surely your example only goes to show that the welfare system in the US is not good enough, since families like yours-- who clearly need help -- dont get it?

But then again, if your mother valued education she would have go herself a decent job (an investment banker perhaps), so your current situation is all her fault for not doing well enough at school. As we have already noted, the stupid deserve to be poor.  

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 First off true taxes are not very high but he is looking to increase the tax on the rich so that he may give to the poor.  

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So what?

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Secondly, if the poor really did not want to be in the position that they are in; then there is one or three things they could have done, to show that they don't want to be in the position that they are in:  

   1.) They could have gotten a very good education while they were young and not dropped out of high school. (if they dropped out)  

   2.) They should have decided to continue with an education by going into college, if they finished high school.  

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Ouch. I think this in niaeve and insensitive.  

If you ever take a sociology class, one of the first things they will point out is that: the problem with a meritocracy, is that people start the race behind everyone else.  

If you go to a bad school, and have no family support, cash for books etc then it is, quite obvoiusally, far harder to suceed at school. And often this means that getting your own children to suceed at school is far harder. the cycle continues.At the end of the day, sucess seems to bread sucess.  

moreove education is not plausible for everyone. If you are stupid, for example, is it really the case that you deserve to be poor ?

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   3.) If the government would stop giving handouts to people then maybe the people would stop being lazy and try and find themselves some type of work to do (walfare).

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Very few goverments in the world actually give handouts, rather, the overall philosophy is to get people to help themselves.  

Moreover, since there is quite a social stigma attached to living off benifits, more people would prefer to earn a living than recieve handouts.  

In short, I do not then wellfare systems necessarily encourage laziness.  

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   The government gives anyone who would come to apply and lie and say that they don't have enough money or say that they have a hard life and just can't handle things. When in actuality they have everything. My mom is a single parent, she works her tail-in day in and day out. You know what the only thing that the government actually gives her is just the money she gets back on taxes. That is it, she doesn't get any type of foodstamps, and all this type of junk. She is barly making herself, and sometimes, she ask me for money. Do you see the government helping her out?

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Lol.  

surely your example only goes to show that the welfare system in the US is not good enough, since families like yours-- who clearly need help -- dont get it?

But then again, if your mother valued education she would have go herself a decent job (an investment banker perhaps), so your current situation is all her fault for not doing well enough at school. As we have already noted, the stupid deserve to be poor.

 

 

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Right now I don't care about what you said earlier but listen to that last part. " The stupid deserve to be poor." Wow! Your country must have it all together? Secondly she has a college degree..... so is it her fault for having and education? Please explain. Also that statement you made

"If you go to a bad school, and have no family support, cash for books etc then it is, quite obvoiusally, far harder to suceed at school.   And often this means that getting your own children to suceed at school is far harder. the cycle continues.At the end of the day, sucess seems to bread sucess."

It makes no since... This is not true my mom got her college degree and she never ever pushed for me to get my education. She never really supported me but you know what I did was that I seen how she was going and I realized I could end up like her, and now I am at the top of my class ranking in the top ten so that cycle does not continue. She doesn't have all the money in the world but you know what it was all by the grace of God. I know this has nothing to do with the topic but this is what I was working it up to. Realize within yourself that you have just destroyed your own ability. You seem like a person that people could really enjoy getting to know but for some reason you hide in a cumulus cloud thinking no one knows your there. Anyways I see that I really brought this up not meaning to really get in a debate about it. Sorry on my end but anyways have a great day.

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Right now I don't care about what you said earlier but listen to that last part. " The stupid deserve to be poor." Wow! Your country must have it all together?

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I was being sarcastic.

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Secondly she has a college degree.....

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once again, you defeat your own argument!

your mother struggles to get by, and yet she has a decent education. surely this demonstrates a very simple point ((that education is not a sufficient condition for prosperity))...We can therefore infer from that the poor are not necessarily poor because of their (lacking) education.

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It makes no since... This is not true my mom got her college degree and she never ever pushed for me to get my education. She never really supported me but you know what I did was that I seen how she was going and I realized I could end up like her, and now I am at the top of my class ranking in the top ten so that cycle does not continue. She doesn't have all the money in the world but you know what it was all by the grace of God. I know this has nothing to do with the topic but this is what I was working it up to. Realize within yourself that you have just destroyed your own ability. You seem like a person that people could really enjoy getting to know but for some reason you hide in a cumulus cloud thinking no one knows your there. Anyways I see that I really brought this up not meaning to really get in a debate about it. Sorry on my end but anyways have a great day.

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there are allways exceptions, but as a general rule, it appears true.

in the early years well off parents can afford to spend more time teaching children, poor families often cannot afford trips to the zoo, etc.

thus, by the time the well off kid gets to school he/she has more cultural capital than the poor child.

you know. If you actually fucking care about this shit, how about you teach yourself?

you might wanna start by reading this shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_capital

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Wow! That is so not true..... We were poor all of our lives when I was younger but we made it through with that College degree. It helped her get a higher pay at work, but anyways all that cursing is showing your immaturity so stop I don't appreciate that all I wanted to do was have a friendly discussion.

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you  do realise that, not only am I older than you, I am probably far smarter and better educated as well. so, you calling me immature because i say "fuck" a lot is a little bit fucking ridiculous.

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The OP's quote is legitimate and truthful.  It opposes the reality of our current and past states of society, not specific to obama or any other president in particular.  Sounds like an argument for some sort of alternative economic and political system setup than the current, or some dismantlement thereof.  Balance between rich and poor.  Doesn't sound like something that can co-exist with capitalism, at least as it's been implemented in the US

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"Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude,
at least it's an ethos."
--Walter Sobchak

Wealth is often created, with fiat money there is no limit to the amount of wealth that can be created. When new fields emerge, the economy world economy grows, creating valued objects from less valued objects (computer chips from silicon sand anyone?)

You can not possible argue that the gross amount of wealth on earth is the same as it was 500 years ago. If it were, everyone on earth would be poor due simply to population growth.

Start thinking people